have u seen “suicide bombing”? what the believe in and why they do it? just do some research on that
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May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
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"Muslim" is the name for the followers of Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH)/His message. ...
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its us who are using the name "Muslims" for followers of Prophet Mohammed PBUH, but Allah SWT has used this word for Ibrahim AH also. Basically, "Muslim" is a person who believes in oneness of Allah SWT, His messengers, books, angels.
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they do it to go heaven or get paletinian
state here on earth?
what about tamil tigers? they dont belive in virgins up there waiting for them?
how about kamakazi pilots?
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Originally posted by jonny2mad:
heaven and hell dont exist
when you die your body rots and thats the end you people are so gullible and brainwashed
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thats what YOU think. not the followers of religion. we (followers of religion) think that there is that SOMEONE who created each and everything, also created us, our body and soul, and He sure will hold us accountable for what we do. Otherwise, this world would be a jungle (though it already is to some extent).
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Originally posted by rvikz:
** they do it to go heaven or get paletinian
state here on earth?
what about tamil tigers? they dont belive in virgins up there waiting for them?
how about kamakazi pilots? **
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I meant the suicide bombings in Palestine, the one who actually goes and blows him/herself believes that cause is just and he/she will get heaven in reward while helping the Palestine cause as well (two birds with one stone).
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changeze poeple lived thousands of years
before the religens came about. actually
religens came about 2000 years ago.
we are at a stage where we can wipe each
other in the name of religen or some other issue.
Changez_like,
Exactly what I meant. Muslims are not the only ones that go to heaven. If that were true then all the people before islam would be going to hell.
And like I said before, A "hint" is enough for those that understand. For those that dont, need to read some more before posing the questions.
why we have worry about something we sdont know. lot of people in the world right now
worried about next meal than where they will go in next life or how "comfortably" they will live after their death.
how much have you cared for those who are worrying for their next meal? if you have done a lot, GOOD JOB, otherwise, just like anything else this is another topic for DISCUSSION
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and for your previous post, this is what you believe “religions came only 2000 years ago”, we believe that religion came alongwith human beings, firt messengers being Adam
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rvikz/jonny2mad
sincerely speaking, for u the question to ponder over should be "Does God(& consequently religion) really exist?" cause' heaven/hell is an after math of believing in religion.
if one doesn't believe in the roots of something, questioning its branches won't help either.
PS. you might want to visit threads in where guppies argue "To believe or not to believe in Him."
***I dunno where I'm going. I dunno what for. But I'm making progress.
Scientists are saying that there are in the range of 80 billion earths in the universe with possible human beings on these earths.
People on these earths must have created their own religions, languages and killing each other on the basis of which religion is superior.
I dont think people in those earths would believe in Jesus or Allah or Vishnu.
All religions are man made. In 5000 years there will be new religions and people would still be killing each other on the basis of religion.
Ahmadjee, please dont ignore the context of this verse. It is referring to the different points in time when the respective religion was “the” religion from Allah. We know that one Prophet succeeds another, the Sharyiah of the previous prophet is invalidated. You must also know that there were only a few prophets with propers Shariyah, like Hazrat Musa (as), Hazrat Iisa (as) and Hazrat Muhammad (pbuh).
As far as the issue under discussion is concerned, yes it is upto Allah to decide who is going to heaven and who is going to hell. However, Allah has also told us that he who dies without a drop of “the faith” in his heart will never go to heaven. I personally think that rather than concentrating on those who will not go to heaven, we should concentrate on those who will — a positive thinking I guess …
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The issue is controversial.
Some (like myself) believe that Non-Muslims can & will succeed in hereafter; and will go to heaven. According the verse
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5.68/69:
Those who believe (in the Qurán), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
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I believe that first aya posted by Ahmadjee was about true believers.
The second aya was about confirmed unbelievers and hypocrites.
And then there is a group of people who is so far; that they do not know the word of Allah swt and children whose fate will only be decided by Allah swt on the Day of Judgment
And certainly there would also be punishment for bad Muslims.
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Originally posted by durango:
**Scientists are saying that there are in the range of 80 billion earths in the universe with possible human beings on these earths.
People on these earths must have created their own religions, languages and killing each other on the basis of which religion is superior.
I dont think people in those earths would believe in Jesus or Allah or Vishnu.
All religions are man made. In 5000 years there will be new religions and people would still be killing each other on the basis of religion.**
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Without disagreeing with you, the numbers you cite are highly contraversial. There is no consensus on the issue yet. SETI has not been able to find any indication of intelligent use of radio waves out there yet.
Anyway even if there is life out there, it is unlikely that it will be 'human'.
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Originally posted by rvikz:
changeze poeple lived thousands of years
before the religens came about. actually
religens came about 2000 years ago.
we are at a stage where we can wipe each
other in the name of religen or some other issue.
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Even before there was any men or religion on earth, Angels were in a constant state of worship to Allah swt. The first human being on Earth was a messenger from God.
If all non-Muslims are going to hell, I will be hapy to acompany them there...
The only native thing that's giving me second thoughts are all the A-Qaeda, they'll be terrorizing hell as well.
You can only paint with the colors you're given...
...so get what you like and like what you have.
I find it funny when Ive talked to some muslims since sept 11 even though they may not support suicide bombing.
They seem to think that in some way it shows that theyre religion has to be true as people are willing to kill themselves for it .
but if you look at human history people have been willing to kill themselves or other people for just about anything.
Id ask anyone of you to look at a history of recent cults .
religion is just a con trick thats why religions have murdered people like me (non belivers) for centurys because religions dont want people to think for themselves.
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Originally posted by wake_up_dead:
*Nope not all non-muslims will end up in hell. Those who do the good deeds will be blessed by Allah. *
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There's perhaps an Ayah or a Hadith keh Allah sub insaanoun nay achay kamoun ka ajar deta ha. Ghair Muslimoun ko unn ki achaion ka ajar duniya mein he mil jata ha, magar musalmanoun ko unn ki achaion ka ajar duniya aur aakhirat dono mein milta ha.
So the reward for good deeds of non-muslims are only limited to this world.
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Originally posted by pakistan99:
**If all non-Muslims are going to hell, I will be hapy to acompany them there...
The only native thing that's giving me second thoughts are all the A-Qaeda, they'll be terrorizing hell as well.
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What a brave person you are who doesn't even fear Allah. But what a shame that you don't fear Allah but you fear Al-Qaeda. And your faith is so shameful that you believe Allah won't have any control over Al-Qaedians that He won't be able to stop them from terrorizing.
Trust me, when you'll be thrown into hell (may Allah show you the right path and prevent you from it), you won't be able to even move on ur own. In this world you've got freedom over what you want to do. But in hell, you will just have to bear what will be done with you.
Sharjeel
Pak99 was just kidding.