Here we are dicussing in a relevant thread:120 WIVES AND COUNTING… ,that, how absurd this provision of ‘4 wives’ is in the contemporary world, and then, boom - a US citizen of Arab origin uses e-mail to inform his Saudi wife, who was living at a different address, of the divorce before filing a case at Dubai’s personal status court.
Under Islamic law, a man is allowed up to four wives and can divorce one simply by telling her “I divorce you”, if certain conditions are met. Hey, when everything is tilted in favour of the males, so, who’s to stop him from three-peating “Talak” via e-mail!
Now, the United Emirates Court is set to issue a landmark ruling on the legality of divorce by e-mail or whether it should have been delivered verbally.
This development further shows how vulnerable women are under present Shariah laws crafted by males - bigoted males, which are neither just or equitable and, sorely out of place.
According to you in muslim countries a women cannot divorce a man but a man can divorce a women by saying Talaq three time. If this is true then I think muslim women are treated as a property of men. They lack even the basic rights, they are treated as second class (actually forth class citizens).
[This message has been edited by Rani (edited May 08, 2000).]
I was looking forward to participating in this thread, but it seems it has turned into a mudslinging match!
So I will just say, that for a general knowledge inquiry, a search for
"Islamic Laws" on Yahoo.com should suffice.
Once on a Islamic jurisprudence site, your narrower search word is "Khul"...
Rani..let me quot what you said theek hia?
“According to you in muslim countries a women cannot divorce a man but a man can divorce a women by saying Talaq three time. If this is true then I think muslim women are treated as a property of men. They lack even the basic rights, they are treated as second class (actually forth class citizens).”
Now i never wrote that paragraph..i never made those assumptions did i..only thing i said was…“Women cant divorce a man.” now that part that very sentence is where i lack the knowledge of islam…i told what i knew…but you went ahead and thought i was all women controler and i think women are inferior to men…how stupid…let me clear one thing out…women and men are EQUAL in all aspects of life it is said in quran and hadith…except some areas of life where ONE command is needed…EXample: you cant have 2 captains on one ship can you? If you do have 2 captains on one ship it would creat chaos…one would say do things this way and other one would say do things that way…you would have conflicts on every other corner…do you understand what i mean? read on…go to that site for status of women in islam… http://www.islamicity.org/dialogue/Q704.HTMhttp://www.islamicity.org/dialogue/Q699.HTM
More on status…and role of women… http://islamicity.org/Dialogue/W.htm#TOPICS
for divorce… http://www.islamicity.org/dialogue/Q157.HTM
more on divorce see this site http://islamicity.org/Dialogue/D.htm#TOPICS
One more thing i forgot to say…i dont think women are inferior or lesser than a man…you know why because my mom is a women,sisster,dadi, nanii, aunties,( i have very much respect for them) and i dont think any of them is inferior to me…there are rules and regulations percribed by allah which we all must follow…
One more thing i forgot to say...i dont think women are inferior or lesser than a man...you know why because my mom is a women,sisster,dadi, nanii, aunties,( i have very much respect for them) and i dont think any of them is inferior to me...there are rules and regulations percribed by allah which we all must follow...<<
I respect your feeling for your female relatives. I am sure you respect them and love them, but that is not what I am questioning. The question is about rights of women and whether rights accorded to them are fair.
I don't understand why it is okay for men to divorce his wife and not okay for women to be able to divorce her husband. I believe in equality, captain of the ship analogy does not sit well with my thinking....why should religion dictate who should be captain of the ship, in my opinion this is something for the individuals to decide.
[This message has been edited by Rani (edited May 08, 2000).]
When you talk about what muslim women can do or not, maybe, you should look around at the status of women today. And, by that I mean, the majority women, not the upwardly mobile or those born into liberal families.
Pls show me one Islamic country that treats women as equal to man?
Re: Kulha divorce -- a woman in Egypt became the 1st women (a few months ago)in history to file for Khula divorce after certain laws were enacted amid strong, STRONG protests to allow women easier access to divorce.
Some, Muslim countries curb this right to some extent."
I was talking about the provisions of divorce for women under Islamic LAWS and
Not about the Status and/or Rights of women as extended by Countries, Muslims, Individual Husbands, etc.,....
And when you say,
"I'll elaborate more on this later."
I could elaborate too, because that is what we do in my profession....but then we also charge an arm and a leg for that....
Wouldn't want to send anyone on gupshup a bill....smile
[This message has been edited by Dehatan (edited May 09, 2000).]
Women has complete freedom of divorcing her Husband if she so wishes.
Jawaan, I have read your previous posts and agree with most of them,but you are off the mark on this one. I wish that you would look up information before making such big claims on behalf of Islam.
Rani
Do not start another propoganda regarding Muslims women treated as Fourth class citizen. I wish I could point to one country that totally followed Islam and Shariah, unfortunately there is none. Islam does not stop/restrict women from seeking divorce if she so chooses.
