Divisions within Indian Muslims

[Babuji]

Re: Divisions within Indian Muslims

@knockout_artist

I think at some time geeta was word of God.

But like bible people made changes to it --to fit their needs

or they made change over the time according to their own thinking.

As in geeta they have so many entities as found in other holly books(mlaika etc)

But they shaped it in indian way---- made every thing God it self.

So in hinduism God kind of share power with other entities.

^ And where is that written - in the Quran ? And WTF is "mlaika" ?

[Monk]

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@Babuji

^ And where is that written - in the Quran ? And WTF is "mlaika" ?

First
language please!

2-mlaika=angels

3-Things " entities" in geeta are there in all holly books.

[narayan]

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Bhaiji knowout_artist, I have not understood the question. Can you explain?

MOD - I think it's time that this thread be moved to religion.

[Monk]

Re: Divisions within Indian Muslims

@narayan

Bhaiji knowout_artist, I have not understood the question. Can you explain?

I guess where are you getting at.
So I answer again before it gets nasty.

I have read my holly book.
I know bases of "ibrahamic" religions

And I have spoken to hindu people a lot about geeta.

It was hard to get them talking about there religon-- but i did it.

Now I have better understanding of hinduism

[narayan]

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@knockout_artist

Now I have better understanding of hinduism

Thats good.

[Babuji]

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@knockout_artist

I guess where are you getting at. So I answer again before it gets nasty.

I have read my holly book. I know bases of "ibrahamic" religions

And I have spoken to hindu people a lot about geeta.

It was hard to get them talking about there religon-- but i did it.

Now I have better understanding of hinduism

As they say, little knowledge is a dangerous thing :)

[Hahahaha]

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@Babuji

It just doesnt happen in Pakistan that Muslim sects fight with each other.
In India, Barelvi Muslims do not consider the Deobandi Muslims as “Muslim enough”, hence the ridiculous fatwa by this Barelvi mullah that requires 200 Muslim men to remarry their own wives.

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060914&fname=arshad&sid=1

This just strengthens the case for having a uniform civil code in India and closing down the madrasas.

All education should be secular. And if need be every kid should be taught equally about all the religions from a very secular aspect. Until the age of 16. This will give the students a better idea of what each religion is about. And I guess from that point on the most valid and the most sensible religion will attract the kid, not the one he was born into.
About the Madrasa’s … yeah they should be closed cuz it limits one’s religious knowledge to Islam only.

[ssingh]

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This debate will go on and on and on forever.
To make things more spicy over here:D

In hinduism/vedic religion you will find
(1)henotheism (usually dwaitha)
(2)monotheism
(3)pantheism (omnipresent god)
(4)theistic acosmism (advaitha vedanta)
(5)panentheism (vishishtadwaitha)

If you follow vedas, you will adhere to monotheism, pantheism, acosmism and panentheism. These are all the concepts of god that are there. and on the contrary to what your muslim scholars say, a learned hindu/vedantist will not just believe in monotheism, but also in omni-present God, acosmism and may be to an extent panentheism.

[ssingh]

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and afridi is right, many hindus are somewhat unaware because hindu religion is a un-organized religion. But if any hindu says hindu religion is polytheistic, then he is doesn't know anything about hindu religion

[ssingh]

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there is unity established amidst all these concepts of God by one link

“Yes, there is God, Doctrine of karma and re-incarnation”…This one link/ statement will unite all the people who know hinduism/vedic religion properly.

and:smack:, i didn’t mention the above things properly in the thread “concept of GOd”…Yes, basics of hindu religion is all about the above posts of mine.

[tahirbhai]

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Thats a fact Lohari bhai, thats why u need visa to enter all muslim countries in the gulf where a christian from UK gets in without it or gets it on arrival.

@Lahore 981

Very true. But this is not the case with Indians. Indian Muslims also harbor a belief that nationalism is everything i.e. country (land) first and God (religion) later, which is very sad. Putting God after land is like "Shirk"

This is partly because they can escape the Hindoo persecution by proclaiming to be nationalist, just like Hindoos.....

[narayan]

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@tahirbhai

Thats a fact Lohari bhai, thas whu u need visa to enter all muslim countries in the gulf where a christian from UK gets in without it or gets it on arrival.

Yahi Muslim bhai chara khatam ho jata hai. Nationality aage aa jati hai.

[tahirbhai]

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I tend to agree here with Babuji. I have noticed that all hindus say ’ uparwala’ sab thik karega. I have never heard them saying ke ’ uparwale’ sab thik karenge.

Any comments ?

@Babuji

FYI, there is only one God in Hinduism. He has different names/forms. And
most Hindus pray to multiple deities/forms of that God.

And yes, Hindus dont claim that their religion is universal unlike Muslims

Islam Is The Only Truly Universal Religion

[Babuji]

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@knockout_artist

This guy has muslim tendency. He should study islam rather then defending what his parents believed in.

My parents believe in respecting all religions and that all religions are equal, which is what I am defending. And yes, if I get time I might even study Islam one day :)

[Babuji]

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@tahirbhai

I tend to agree here with Babuji. I have noticed that all hindus say ' uparwala' sab thik karega. I have never heard them saying ke ' uparwale' sab thik karenge.

Any comments ?

Absolutely correct. And if Hindus thought there were multiple Gods, wouldnt we then have arguements on which of those Gods is superior ? I have never seen that happen which further proves that there is only one God in Hinduism.

[hollowman]

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ya like any bikhari comes forward with holded hands and speaks “Babuji thori maya de do bhagwan aapka bhala karega” then you say chal hat >> :punjabi:

[LuxuryItem]

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@Babuji

It just doesnt happen in Pakistan that Muslim sects fight with each other.

For an Indian, your knowledge of Pakistan is very poor. I measure an indian's patriotism by two things:

1. Love of India.

2. Knowledge of all disgraceful events/situations in Pakistan.

I think you need to brush up on item #2 before you post again on Gup.

Merci.

[Captain1]

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@tahirbhai

Thats a fact Lohari bhai, thats why u need visa to enter all muslim countries in the gulf where a christian from UK gets in without it or gets it on arrival.

Do you think that is because of existence of brotherhood or lack of it?

[tahirbhai]

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Kaptan ji , question meri samazh mein nahi aya .

@Captain1

Do you think that is because of existence of brotherhood or lack of it?

[Babuji]

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@LuxuryItem

For an Indian, your knowledge of Pakistan is very poor. I measure an indian’s patriotism by two things:

1. Love of India.

2. Knowledge of all disgraceful events/situations in Pakistan.

I think you need to brush up on item #2 before you post again on Gup.

Merci.

I dont see the point of your post since you have not really said where I have stated facts incorrectly.