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y were the restaurant people rude..??? i mean they got money for the food..it’s not their business to whom the food goes..this kind of behaviour makes me sick..!
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i like the way u worded that…well i’ll tell u something equally sad…fair share of homelesss or none, but the reason why restaurant ppl r rude to beggars lurking outside is coz they reduce custom…the more beggars there r, the more ppl will feel less inclined to come to the place…so for next time try being even more careful with yr “i am not critising…its just sad” ones 
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Offtopic, but in New york we have idiots crying and protesting over a freaking bird who doesn’t have his Park avenue nest. I bet those same people stepped over or ignored the homeless, the beggars on the way to the protest…
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Sara yes you are right...people many times just don't see how much need there is even when its right in front of them when they get obsessed with their "pet peeves"...
Ghulail, I dont understand what you mean...I asked the restaurant people to bring out the food which was already paid for and we left a big big tip for them. They threw the food at this little family like it was feeding time at the zoo. I dont care what anyone says, there was no need for this type of behavior, hungry is hungry. May they never feel the pain of hunger butmay they ALSO be more sympathetic to human need.
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...and ps you know, I actually LIKE the restaurants that acknowledge need... in New York, there is Outback Steakhouse ...during the 9/11 crisis, they wanted the police, firefighters and workers clearing the site to have GOOD food, so they set up this huge tent and cooked them top-of-the line meals, not the cheap stuff on their menu. Restaurants that take leftovers to homeless, too, are at the top of MY list! It isnt necessarily a bad thing to have needful people outside the doors, its an indication that they find help and comfort there and thats a plus in my book.
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Wonders of enlightened moderation and reversion to hinduism/sikhism.....
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these stories always remind me of the beggars that I saw on the street at Pak, and how when we gave them food, they would gather the whole family together and feed on a few things :(
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whatever…now what do i say to someone who obviously thinks ther coming to pakistan was a 9/11!
waisay what irks me is the high-handed way you try to put down ppl u know nothing abt…i mean just read this …‘and ps you know, I actually LIKE the restaurants that acknowledge need… ’ as in u just truck up a really humantiarian idea tat just cant occur to anyone but u, some kind of intellectual humanitarianism only u r capable of no!’
i cud also say a hell lot abt the NY restuarant without even having being there…the 9/11 stint might just as well be wuick publicity…top-of-the-line food, well we dont wait for 9/11s to serve that, may be thats the reason it hurts more to be feeding it to poor people…plus restuarant chefs are quite often ppor people working their asses off and coming from the same background as the non-working beggars on the streets…how on earth do u know what kind of turn-out of poor people restaurants in pakistan can get if they start serving takeovers to poor people lurking around when u just havent lived here.
seriously it cant get more annoying than this.
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ghuLail, I in no way ever equated my visit to Pak with 9/11...I have no idea where you got that from....all I was trying to point out is that there ARE restaurants out there that CARE about human need....sorry if it offended you that this one restaurant catered to the needs of the workers of the 9/11 site....but they gave up millions of dollars to care for HUMANS IN NEED OF FOOD and caring! Thats the kind of restaurant I LIKE. Yes, I am very lucky to be able to go to a restaurant in the first place....but I DO like to choose one that acknowledges the needs of the less fortunate. And yes, I liked the fact that they didnt "skimp", they gave the very best on their menu to people they felt needed it. Dont relate it to the actual 9/11, just relate it to the fact that this restaurant wanted to help people.....thats what makes me want to go to their restaurant....I could never see them turning away a hungry family.
I dont understand what you are complaining about, what your problem is with what I've said...I am not an arrogant intellectual type as you seem to imply....I've worked in more than my fair share of restaurants - waitress, bus-girl, salad-prep, short-order cook - thats what got me thru college. So I completely understand that most restarurant people are not flowing with extra cash! I also completely understand that this is not a phenomenon unique to Pak (as I said in my previous post!) So dont think I'm this arrogant westerner - I just feel so very badly for ANYONE who is HUNGRY. Whether they live in Pakistan, New Yawk or the planet mars.
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Sss…emokin 
The thread is about a naukar(servant) not, feeding the homeless and hungry. MO3 what you did while noble was seen as ‘negative publicity’ by the resturant owners and Ghulail. Because doing so would cause more beggars to gather around the establishment and seen as a deterrent to increased sales. This is something we dont see in NY, beggars squatting around resturants, and they see quite frequently, so in a way it does ruin their romantic/family evening out.
Ghulail go easy on MO3, dont take advantage of her she doesnt know the proper cruel treatment that other citizens of Pakistan are subjected to, such as denial of food and other basic necessities…err..luxuries.
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People need to take care of their servants and treat them well.
if they are having a party at their place, let the servants eat, whether it is before or after or during the party and whether it is in a servants are os kitchen or whatever
if they are taking their servants with them somwhere, whether it is a chauffer or a nanny or whomever, they need to make sure that their servant gets fed, they need to tell the host ahead of time, and if the host is a jackass who will not provide food for the servant, then either they dont go to such morons, or get the food for the servants on their own.
anything less is simply idiotic.
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If I had been there, I would have asked the hosts as to why they were treating her like that or else handed over my own plate to her. I don't believe in keeping mumb on such occasions. This is simply unacceptable at our home.
Few days back, my moms aunt and her son came at our place. Now, once they settled down, I felt as if there was still someone standing outside. Upon inquiry she said its the young guy, their servant( 7-8 yes old). Obviously I could see the small feet through the grill, so I asked him to come inside and told him to either sit in the room/kitchen or balcony. I realised that she was uncomfortable when I also served him tea and whatever was there. Some people simply avoid that 'kay janab sar par char jai ga/gee naukar.'
I believe that if you give them yourselves whatever is available, they will never get into the habit of stealing things. But there are a whole lot of issues attached to that...its about class, its about trust etc...
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GhuLail I hope you never ever ever ever ever ever have to go through what these people go through. You, not Mama, reek of arrogance and disregard for yer fellow man. You don't have to sponsor every single poor child or whatever, but is it really that difficult to give htem some food? In fact you remind me of sum1 I know. On EID he started fighting/cursing the beggars when they came asking for food.
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bhaiyon all of you are assuming guilt. how do you know the girl didnt eat before or after the party anyway?
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Verizon, please do not say that.
Being a “beggar” is a profession there… a business. you need to live there for a month or two and observe carefully. those asking alms on the roads are not actually the needy. the needy do not even ask for help. the thing is not about “treating” them bad but getting frustrated at seeing that you are being made a fool by those so called “needy”. i was never against these road beggars as much as i am now after this last trip of mine to Pakistan. i observed them carefully and am certain that it is a complete business but still i used to give at many occasions thinking. they are doing their job and im doing my job.
besides, do you know i gave alot of money and stuff to this kaam wala… before he started to give me weird looks. honestly, i wasnt mad at him asking for the hair cream but at the fact that he paid less attention to his job and more to give some poses which he definitely thought were cool. his hair full of dust and dirt were not even properly washed. he had a seperate bathroom and all the stuff that he would need to keep himself clean and tidy. one wanting to groom himself with haircream should first concentrate to keep him/herself clean.
maybe he thought he was a dashing looking hero and did not need to wash himself. i was later on feeling bad for giving him alot cz whenever i told my mom or dad to hand over money to him, they told me to give it by myself (my own hands). i dont know what the logic was behind this but i think this guy was a fool.
and later we came to know that he wasnt really “needy” his some brother had some clothes shop as we came to know later on.
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Mamaof3, although you have admirable views but things are not as they seem... but yes we can help them cz what matters most is the idea, the intention. so as far as one has good intention, all is good.
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^^ Just because you said 'Please' I take my comments back. Mods please edit my post and that line out. MY only issue with Nancy Reagan was that she just said "Just say no to drugs" no effing "please", Well I like politeness and reply with kindness.
OK mods :takes the whip out and whips 'em into submission: get to work edit my post..............Please.:D
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It amazes the siht out of my ass to read some of these posts. There are roughly .0145% of Pakistanis who have servants in their households. There are day workers, e.g., someone coming to one’s house twice a week for cleaning the floors, they are paid employees, usually named Sheeno or Peeno or Nasreen. Generally they are Hasais (Pakistani Christians). These day workers shouldn’t be considered Naukars. 99% of household in Pakistan do no have servants, and treatment of servants is not such a big deal or an epidemic to lose sleep over. There are other issues to worry about, for example, lack of availability of alcohol.
Displaying one’s collection of servants is the sickness very common among lowclass people.
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LOL
wanted to say something about mods "work" but do not want to offend some.