What is the problem? What is so HARD about the muslims in one city (lets not talk about a nation) celebrating a religious occasion (eid, barhi raat, whatever) on ONE day?
I mean, its like everyone is seeing different moons in the same city!!
What is so hard about the muslim ummah in the US sending one rep out to the observatory and check out the moon? Or if you want to insist that the moon be seen with the naked eye (a complete farce as I see it), then why not appoint one person to see the moon and make a decision, or let one committee decide by democratic (oops, isn’t that haraam? ) vote as to when eid is or when shab-e-baraat is, etc.
I mean, where I live, all the masjids are celebrating on different days.
No unity whatsoever. And why are people complaining that the “east” gets subjugated by the “west”?
I feel same way exactly make me very angry one county has eid on saturday another has sunday and nigeria will probably have it on wednesday.
the problem is not with muslims because belive me you ask any muslim outside your home they will say we want the whole muslim ummah to have eid or ramadhan on same day.
It is the corrupted rulers in the muslim lands who divide us in many cases using scholars for dollars to announce eid on different days and put obstacles to prevent us from uniting.
You're not alone. Where I live, we have the same thing which tends to be quite frustrating to the community...various masjids declaring the start of Ramadan, siting the moon, and celebrating Eid, on seperate days!!! It's gotten quite ridiculous over the years so actually, in the past year or two, the area mosques have been trying to make a conscientious effort to colloborate before making any "announcements."
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Because muslims in Indonesia have more in common with balinese hindus than with arabs or pakistanis
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I was not aware that Balinese Hindus also celebrate Eid. Well good for them.
very true about Muslims being so disorganised, this is what the kafir wants, before muslims were united without borders and they were the most sucessful people on earth, the strongest, the best, the inventors, the role models etc. today we are one of the worst to be frank. Muslims dying in every region, muslims leaders just going to conferences talking rubbish. i think that there is too much greed for power. none of the countries will want to give their power to one man (ameer). the only way to unite is by khilafah. but how will you get a khilafah is people do not want it? so the issue about ramadhan, thats a part of the disunity, and different sects, and different schools of thought fighting with eachother saying this is right and this is wrong. well the only people who are right are those who follow quran and sunnah, simple as that. those who want to reject Allah's law well they are not part of islam, like i hear some people say oh i dont want fundementalists ruling my country, because they will implement islamic shariah. what is islamic shariah in its true sense? it is Allahs law.
just look at the situation in chechnya,kashmir,palestine if muslims were united do you think those places will be a warzone where muslims are inferior. one englishman said we cannot destroy the muslims (at the time of unity) the only way is to disunite them, how did they do this, by creating nationalism in the hearts of the muslims. saying you are ruled by so and so when you are this and that. It saddens me to see the muslims so helpless, a nation will not change unless the people change
How can a solution be found when we don't want to face our own past truthfully. Blaming the kafirs for disunity is not a historically sound argument. Historically, the ottomans empire in it's 650 year history fought with the persians for well over 450 years. The persians raided the muslim lands now pakistan and india many a times. The muslim afghans fought with the muslim rulers of the lands now pakistan. The central asian khanates were split by the ottomans with about half the land going to them and the rest fell under the influence of the persians. This was all going on when the kafir west was on the fringes of the Muslim super powers of that period. At least lets acknolwdge the facts of history accurately.
The explanation is very simple - following one religion doesn’t mean u have to think in the same fashion, be exactly same !! I guess although we pakistanis claim ourselves to be of arab descent (just to show how much die-hard muslims we are), we are NOT arabs !! at least we don’t wear towel tied by gaskette normally used in pressure cookers and we don’t sleep with 16 women. We are cultutarally unique so are other muslim countries. Let em follow their laws/rules of seeing moon/sun the way they want to. There is nothing like mulsim ummah - it never existed in the first place. Even in Pak there are variations between say a punjabi and a mohajir - zameen asmaan ka fark hai. The 2 can never be the same !!
mod can u merge this thread with "interaction in muslim community in USA" I think they will go well together since the discussion is on similar concepts.
) vote as to when eid is or when shab-e-baraat is, etc.