Disillusioned Marines Want Gratitude from Iraqis!

RAMADI, Iraq — Marine Cpl. Travis Friedrichsen, a sandy-haired 21-year-old from Denison, Iowa, used to take Tootsie Rolls and lollipops out of care packages from home and give them to Iraqi children. Not anymore.

“My whole opinion of the people here has changed. There aren’t any good people,” said Friedrichsen, who says his first instinct now is to scan even youngsters’ hands for weapons.

The subtle hostility extends to Iraqi adults, evidence some U.S. troops have second thoughts about their role here.

“We’re out here giving our lives for these people,” said Sgt. Jesse Jordan, 25, of Grove Hill, Ala. “You’d think they’d show some gratitude. Instead, they don’t seem to care.”

Marines were ordered to show friendliness through “wave tactics,” including waving at people on the street.

Few spend much time waving these days as the hard reality of frequent hit-and-run attacks, roadside bombs and exploding mortars has left plenty of Marines, particularly grunts on the ground, disillusioned and bitter.

Since the 2nd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, deployed in the area six months ago, 34 of its members have died and more than a quarter of the 1,000-member unit has been wounded.

Along with the heavy toll, the Marines cite other sources of frustration. High among them is the scarcity of tips from Iraqis on the locations of the roadside bombs that kill and maim Marines, even though the explosives frequently are placed in well-trafficked areas where bomb teams probably would be observed.

There, in an alleyway beside the shops, was a seat and ammunition for the grenade launcher — along with a pitcher of water and a half-eaten bowl of grapes, said Neill, who was so amazed that he took photos of the setup.

“You could tell the guy had been hanging out all day. It was out in the open. Every single one of the guys in the shops could tell the guy was set up to attack us,” said Neill, 34, of Colrain, Mass. “That’s the problem. That’s why I’m bitter toward the people.”

Then there are the hostile glares that adults in the community give to passing U.S. military patrols, and treachery from high-profile allies, such as the provincial police chief who was arrested last month amid strong suspicions that he was working with the insurgency.

“We’re not taking any chances: Shoot first and ask questions later,” said Lance Cpl. David Goward, 26, a machine gunner from Cloquet, Minn. “We’re a lot more dangerous now. I’m not going home in a body bag, and neither is the person next to me.”

The Marines are a disciplined fighting force and under orders to treat Iraqis “with dignity,” said Maj. Mike Wylie, the battalion executive officer.

The acts of friendship that Marines undertook when they arrived in Ramadi now in some cases heighten their resentment toward the city’s residents.

After a series of ambushes one April day that killed a dozen Marines, Cpl. Jason Rodgers saw a familiar face among a group of slain attackers. The dead Iraqi, who was lying inches from a grenade, was a shopkeeper Rodgers had called on several times during foot patrols, he said.

“I felt like I’d been betrayed, personally,” said Rodgers, 22, of Susanville, Calif. “I’d stood there, talking to him, shaking his hand, giving his kid candy. And he’d been studying our moves the whole time.”
Disillusioned Marines Want Gratitude from Iraqis!

Talk about stupid these idiot marines occupy Iraq and want the iraqis to be grateful for it! what do they expect how clear do they want it they not welcome what else do they need to know maybe in neon lights should be flashed outside thier fortified bases GO HOME GI JOE YOUR NOT WANTED IN IRAQ!

"I felt like I'd been betrayed, personally," said Rodgers, 22, of Susanville, Calif.<

yes you have been betrayed by your own President. What a moron?

Iraqis have a choice. Representative govt. and the potential for prosperity or a lawless land full of thugs bent on oppressive theocratic rule. Misplaced anger is fueling their ignorant choices to support the thugs. Iraqis deverve exactly what they have been willing to put on the line for their future-nothing. Saddam's gone. That's enough. U.S. should establish a few Guantanamo-like outposts in the country to keep an eye on the *******s and deliver punishment when necessary. Continue to fully support the one democracy in the region-Israel and let the savages have the run of Iraq. That way the ordinary people of Iraq may find sufficient motivation to finally marginalize the scum that will continut to make their lives unecessarily difficult.

Misplaced anger :konfused: hello Iraq is occuppied they have every right to be angry at the amerikkkans!

No one invited the GI Joes to iraq except themselves they are unwelcome nobody wants them there, they should get lost back to US of da a, and if they want gratitude then they more stupid than i thought!

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Continue to fully support the one democracy in the region-Israel and let the savages have the run of Iraq.

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Yes, continue to fully support Israel (the real terrorist in the region, which has violated 32 United Nations resolution, and has killed thousand of innocent Palestinian civilians in the name of self defense, but no country has any guts to speak up against it)
Very well said storch, but I thought that I should explain your definition of democracy.

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Very well said storch!
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Thanks. Actually, I was being a bit intentionally snarky, lil homeboy. Poor average Iraqis are caught between two powerful forces. They need to choose which path will lead to a long term improvement in the life of Iraqis as a whole, not just conservative religious elements in the country.

In Iraq, just like on Gupshup great importance is put on the vilification of the U.S. no matter the circumstance, victim, intent or potential benefit. This is endemic amongst Muslim populations around the globe. Certainly, some anti-Americanism has legitmacy. But a great deal of it has become cultural and or sociological in nature.

Not just in Muslim groups, but that's the group we're talking about.

It is this proportion of self-propogating hatred that to me will serve neither side of this conflict very well. Look by now our skins are plenty thick from criticism both deserved and otherwise.

Whether America is the Great Satan or not is not so much what concerns Iraqis. They need to "Choose their boat" as it were. I personally think they should choose wisely, don't you?

It's all an act. These marines aren't going anywhere. Abu Gharib is the only place they can get any.