DISCUSSION: April GSBC Contemporary The Signature of All Things

Hi all,

So what did you all think of Elizabeth Gilbert’s latest, The Signature of All Things? I’m looking forward to hearing everyone’s reaction.

Here are some questions to get us started:

  1. What do you think this novel is about, at its heart?

  2. What aspects of this novel did you enjoy?

  3. What aspects of this novel did you find to be problematic?

  4. Was there was a moment you found to be particularly insightful and real?

  5. Anything you think felt too forced or contrived?

  6. What did you think of the concept of “The Signature of All Things” that appears in this novel? How do you think it adds to the story? Does it?

  7. What do you make of all the research that must have gone into writing this novel, particularly the details relating to botany, evolutionary science, and historical figures?

  8. Why do you suppose there is such attention to Alma’s evolving sensuality or sexuality? How does it function within the novel?

  9. What did you think of the characters in this novel – who did you connect with? understand? care about? Anyone you felt disconnected or confused about?

  10. Any additional thoughts? General reaction?

I will post my thoughts shortly. Please share yours!

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  1. What do you think this novel is about, at its heart?
    I don't know why I had a really hard time getting into this book. Two things I did appreciate, the time in history the author chose as the backdrop. It was truly anage of beginings; new world - new ways of science perfect setting for a rebirth like Henrys. I also loved that before womens rights, Alma silently (loosley use that term) didn't let her gender stop her from persuing her career. And Henry wasn't thrown off by having a female heir. Also loved that he picked his wife for her qualities not her more conventional assets (beauty, etc)

  2. What aspects of this novel did you enjoy? Above.

  3. What aspects of this novel did you find to be problematic? The author's writing style; I can't pinpoint if it was to dry or to detailed. But when the love story felt more like a scientic theory being put to test.

  4. Was there was a moment you found to be particularly insightful and real?

  5. Anything you think felt too forced or contrived? The connection/journey between botony and spirituality

  6. What did you think of the concept of "The Signature of All Things" that appears in this novel? How do you think it adds to the story? Does it?

  7. What do you make of all the research that must have gone into writing this novel, particularly the details relating to botany, evolutionary science, and historical figures?

  8. Why do you suppose there is such attention to Alma's evolving sensuality or sexuality? How does it function within the novel?
    She literally blossoms. Get it BLOSSOMS. hahahah Okay I'll stop.

  9. What did you think of the characters in this novel -- who did you connect with? understand? care about? Anyone you felt disconnected or confused about?

  10. Any additional thoughts? General reaction?
    I've had more fun reading text books. I'll watch the movie when it comes out.. myabe

I will post my thoughts shortly. Please share yours!

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1. What do you think this novel is about, at its heart?
I don't really have an answer to this, but I do feel that people are shaped by the accidents in their lives, by things out of their control in this novel. There is no destiny -- but random shifts in circumstance that end up determining who people are. Even when you try to control the direction of your life or others' lives, it doesn't work out as planned. I guess that kind of works with the concept of evolution that develops in this novel.

2. What aspects of this novel did you enjoy?
I liked the prose, the incredible level of scientific, philosophical, and historical detail. I like that actual historical figures were woven in and around the plot, influencing our main characters.

3. What aspects of this novel did you find to be problematic?
I think Prudence was quite a puzzle. And then the housekeeper/nanny just explains her quickly in the end and we're supposed to understand that Prudence has sacrificed so much for Alma's happiness in silence.

Also, part of me hates that Alma keeps silent about her theory and won't publish and then Darwin publishes first. I know she tries to make it okay by emphasizing that she could never had made the concept as appealing to the public as Darwin did, but still, it bothers me. I guess similarly, her mother stays in the shadows and lets Henry get all the glory despite her own knowledge and capabilities.

4. Was there was a moment you found to be particularly insightful and real?
That moment when Prudence first enters the novel, when the mom and the housekeeper stand protectively around her because they sense this child's beauty puts her in danger, even when so young. I think this is the kind of intuition women have and it often affects their relationships with each other and the men around them. I also think it's interesting that Prudence does so much to downplay herself as a threat because of her own beauty. She doesn't want the spotlight.

*5. Anything you think felt too forced or contrived? *
See above, regarding Prudence.

*6. What did you think of the concept of "The Signature of All Things" that appears in this novel? How do you think it adds to the story? Does it? *
Okay, so the idea of the signature of all things is that things in nature, plants in particular, are shaped or colored in a way to give a clue for human use. Like certain flowers look like the eye and therefore contain something that helps your eye. Something like that. The theory is basically discredited in the scientific community as superstition. And in the novel too, Alma doesn't believe in the theory. It suggests a kind of higher divine power giving humans a clue. So why name the novel for this concept that is discredited by so many thinkers? Of course Ambrose really believes in it, as do others that Alma respects. Are we supposed to change our mind about it? Are we supposed to reach a spiritual connection through the study of science?

*7. What do you make of all the research that must have gone into writing this novel, particularly the details relating to botany, evolutionary science, and historical figures? *
I really enjoyed it, and it made me really respect the novel and the author. I liked how so much information was woven into the story.

8. Why do you suppose there is such attention to Alma's evolving sensuality or sexuality? How does it function within the novel?
I'm not sure about this, but maybe there is something to be said about that innate desire for sex that drives life. In a novel that deals with evolution and natural selection and survival, it's not surprising that we are confronted with the character's irrepressible desire for sexual pleasure which would eventually lead to reproduction (if she hadn't been horribly mistaken in her marriage). It's interesting of course to contrast her with Ambrose who tries so hard to repress all sexual feelings, and hates himself for giving in.

9. What did you think of the characters in this novel -- who did you connect with? understand? care about? Anyone you felt disconnected or confused about?
I think Prudence is the only one who doesn't really feel real to me. Rita is really interesting though maybe too simplified -- do you think her mental illness is something that was always there? Or something that developed out of a neglected childhood or unhappy marriage?

10. Any additional thoughts? General reaction?
I just really enjoyed this novel. It wasn't just a good read. It really got me thinking.

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I agree about the setting. During the 19th century the Western world was so alive with the exchange of ideas, and I think she captures that beautifully.

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1. What do you think this novel is about, at its heart?

The epigraph reads, "What life is we know not. What life does, we know well."
It sums up the heart of the novel for me.

2. What aspects of this novel did you enjoy?

  • Time period, spirit of inquiry, the air of adventure, historical personages, liberal use of references to events and discoveries.
  • Henry Whittaker's journey on the Resolution.
  • The Tahitian backdrop; soot coloured sand, feral boys, the stunning heat and thundering rain.
  • Bildungsroman setup.
  • The scene at the ball when the guests are arranged into the solar system with young Alma cast as a comet.

3. What aspects of this novel did you find to be problematic?

  • At the beginning the authorial voice starts with great gusto, I was most charmed by the mix of humour, detail and storytelling flair. This mix was not maintained. There were times where the prose devolved in to straight out telling; I did not 'see' the events unfold, it felt like they were just being recited.

  • We follow Alma into her nineties, and yet I did not feel her age.

4. Was there was a moment you found to be particularly insightful and real?

  • The final meeting between Henry and Prudence resonated.
  • The general coverage of Alma's loneliness, Ambrose's otherness.

5. Anything you think felt too forced or contrived?

Prudence was more a storytelling prop* than an actual character with agency.

*catalyst for Alma venturing out into the world, a convenient way to weave in the abolitionist movement, an example of altruism.

*6. What did you think of the concept of "The Signature of All Things" that appears in this novel? How do you think it adds to the story? Does it?
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The study of science brings one closer to what life does, and perhaps in seeing what life does one can come closer to figuring out what life is.

*7. What do you make of all the research that must have gone into writing this novel, particularly the details relating to botany, evolutionary science, and historical figures? *

I expect it!

8. Why do you suppose there is such attention to Alma's evolving sensuality or sexuality? How does it function within the novel?

It is another kind of discovery.

9. What did you think of the characters in this novel -- who did you connect with? understand? care about? Anyone you felt disconnected or confused about?

Dick Yancey.
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10. Any additional thoughts? General reaction?**

It was inconsistent but I enjoyed it overall. Extra points for the Montaigne reference.

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el topo, you are a reader after my own heart!

i can't believe I forgot to ask about the solar system scene. It was just stunning and beautifully described. I loved too that Henry calls out, "Find her a place!" for Alma. And that she's the only one not in a defined orbit, working outside any set path. That's so perfect.

I hadn't really paid attention to it before, but I agree with you about the narrative voice weakening/changing as the novel progresses.

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I found its book very dull and lengthy. When I reached the part about her going to Tahiti I gave up completely. As muniya said I have enjoyed textbooks more. I did enjoy the father's story.

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^ I didn't love the Tahiti part either, but she did need to get out and explore. I don't know why I didn't enjoy it as much.

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S02 on point here:

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  1. Why do you suppose there is such attention to Alma's evolving sensuality or sexuality? How does it function within the novel? I'm not sure about this, but maybe there is something to be said about that innate desire for sex that drives life. In a novel that deals with evolution and natural selection and survival, it's not surprising that we are confronted with the character's irrepressible desire for sexual pleasure which would eventually lead to reproduction (if she hadn't been horribly mistaken in her marriage). It's interesting of course to contrast her with Ambrose who tries so hard to repress all sexual feelings, and hates himself for giving in.

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El Topo YESS!!!!

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3. What aspects of this novel did you find to be problematic?

  • At the beginning the authorial voice starts with great gusto, I was most charmed by the mix of humour, detail and storytelling flair. This mix was not maintained. There were times where the prose devolved in to straight out telling; I did not 'see' the events unfold, it felt like they were just being recited.

  • We follow Alma into her nineties, and yet I did not feel her age.

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What did you guys think of Ambrose?

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I felt sorry for him. He was so ashamed of his natural impulses. And it wasn't for religious reasons in particular. But it was this desire to completely reject his physical self. And he thought that he found a complete intellectual who would be his partner in this. Obviously he was mistaken in the way he perceived Alma.

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^ Yes! I wondered whether the mistake in perception was partly down to Alma's appearance, because she was not attractive in the conventional sense, he figured she was more distanced from her physical self.

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^ Right, and because she stood against the gender stereotypes in so many ways, and really focused on intellectual pursuits, he thought she would not have the same human needs/desires that others do.