Discuss Bliss: A Novel

Long time coming, sorry for the loss of momentum.

  1. Discuss the reasons why the author may have chosen the title Bliss for his novel. What is its significance?

  2. Who is your favorite character in Bliss and why? Are there those you like who are, in fact, “unlikable?” Take a moment to talk about the cast of characters——and range of personality types——in the novel

  3. Each of the main protagonists in Bliss experiences tragedy on a profound, indeed existential level. How would you describe each character’s personal transformation? What unites them in their struggle to overcome their demons?

  4. How would you describe Irfan’s relation to Hidayet, a character who never appears in the novel but who’s always in Irfan’s thoughts?

  5. Discuss the ambassador’s comment that there are three phases in the life of an individual: camel phase, lion phase, and childhood phase

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Overall, I have to say I enjoyed the book. I didn't particularly relate to any of the character, but I loved the juxtaposition of events and folks.

I think the title of the book was befitting. To me it was a story everyone's journey to they're own bliss. Everyone except Cemal - I feel bad for him. I feel like he was just a good mislead (not particularly intelligent) young man. I'd like to believe that he goes back to Istanbul and finds a job with his friend. Stays away from his brother and family until he's in a better place and finally goes back to confront his father.

My favorite character; hmm I thought all the characters where to cliched. You totall knew what to expect from each person. Meriam in particular annoyed me with her "innocence" - I liked her more towards the end of the book. From the scene where Cemel was about to throw her off the wall onwards. I couldnt believe that she didn't understand what going to Istanbul meant. I also didn't particularly like her wnating to shed her clothes so much and so fast. Her reasons were to conform - nothing else. And that would have bitten her ultimiately. Irfan also was an interesting character; but he creeped me out with the way he reacted to Meriam. I don't know maybe seeing him would have made a difference but OMG uncle creeper. At one point I thought they were going to validate Meriam and Irfan in a romantic relationship and I would have burned the book at that point. I do think Irfan is a homosexual. Less for his mannerism more to support that the author wants to jam pack every social issue modern Turkey faces.

My favorite character was the Ambassador. Clear concise and to the point. I particularly loved his three phases of life.

I enjoyed the ending of the book as well, I enjoyed that almost everyone found a place they fit. I enjoyed that Meriam wasn't captive to short dresses. I loved that her MIL called her dove. LOVED LOVED LOVED that! She found a family!

And the professor came to terms with who he is and what his parents did for him.

I wish we'd seen/heard more of Cemals father. The overthrowing of him. Perhaps Irfan going over there and handling him but Irfan wasn't that strong.

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I started reading this, did not get very far in before I misplaced the book. The little I read did not make me want to seek out another copy. The writing felt pedestrian, which is unfair because translation plays a part. There was a strong sense of predictability, like you knew exactly what the characters' story arcs were going to be the minute you met them. The setting was of interest and I probably would have enjoyed that part of the read.

I did not get as far as the camel, lion, child three phases of life comment, but I believe it is borrowed from Nietzsche and I would have liked to see how it was used and in what context. But not enough to replace book :\

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I thought it was a good book. Better then some recent ones I've read - I didn't find it as predictable as I thought it would be when I picked it up. @Mezghan I'm dying to hear your review.

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I quite enjoyed the novel. An aspect which I quite liked was Livaneli’s writing style. While the issue of honour killings, the various hardships faced by women in Turkey’s rural villages, and the overall premise of the novel were interesting, I was a bit wary initially. Given the subject matter, the novel had the potential to turn into a heavy-handed melodrama, which I’ve seen numerous times with novels which deal with the issues faced by women in developing countries (well, Turkey isn’t a developing country but the rural setting of Meryem’s village is similar to many developing countries). I was pleasantly surprised to find that Livaneli writes with a disarming lightness and directness. This lightness and candor makes the story engaging without being melodramatic or sensational.

The plot examines the strong social divide which exists on many levels of contemporary Turkish society. I thought Livaneli did this in an interesting manner. He explores these issues through Meryem, Kemal and Irfan as each have their own internal conflicts, which seem to mirror the issues faced by Turkey as a nation. These include conflicts such as, religion versus secularism, the cosmopolitan elite versus the poor, tradition versus Westernization, and ignorance versus education.

As far as the characters, I found them a bit clichéd and undeveloped. Meryem rather annoyed me with her naivety. While I understand that girls raised in rural villages are likely to be quite sheltered and not terribly worldly, I find it very difficult to believe that she did not know what happened to the girls who “went to Istanbul.” Based on what I have read about cultures which practice honour killings, such killings are not only supported out of cultural notions of “honour,” but also because they serve as cautionary tales to warn society, particularly women, of the consequences of indiscretion. It seems rather unlikely that Meryem would not even have the slightest suspicion about the fate of those girls.

The character of Irfan, was interesting and complex but, at the same time, a bit unsettling. I found his strange fascination and treatment of Meryem rather awkward and disquieting. I suppose Livaneli was trying to emphasise that Irfan’s lifestyle was quite different from Meryem’s and that he had never met anyone like her, but it came across as a bit condescending and rather creepy. At one point, I almost thought he and Meryem would become romantically involved, which would have been the ultimate cliché of “poor, naïve village girl is rescued by older, cosmopolitan hero.” If the plot had gone in that direction, it would have irritated me to no end.

Cemal interested me less than the other two protagonists as he did not seem to change or grow throughout the novel. He seems just as confused at the end of the novel as he did in the beginning. He was traumatised by his experiences fighting a war and that such experiences would affect a person deeply on an emotional level and cause one to question things but I think this could have been executed differently. It also would have been nice to see Cemal's acceptance of his feelings for Meryem explored further. As is, his breakthrough in accepting his feelings for her seems a bit abrupt.

Overall, I enjoyed the novel and found that Livaneli wrapped it up quite nicely, with most of the characters coming to terms with their internal conflicts and finding a place where they fit. However, I think it would have been quite interesting to see certain characters developed further.

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Agree with you on all levels.

I did like Cemal though; I think he shows potential to change. His acceptance of this feelings for Meriam, I feel were his breakthrough.

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I think, for me, part of the issue with Cemal was that his acceptance of his feelings for Meryem was not really explored and came across as a bit abrupt. I would have liked for the author to develop that a bit more. I think that's the reason he still comes across as confused in the end.

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Yup - his storyline was cut off rather abruptly.