Most of modern medicine is based on prolonging life without considering the quality of life. Everyday I see patients that are paralyzed completely with machines breathing for them. And they look miserable. Eventhough there is no hope for the survival of the person, the families (for many reasons) do not withdraw life support.
My question is, when deciding about withdrawing life support, who should decide. It can be doctor who know that the person will never get better. Or should it be family. I have seen that alot of times the family have their personal benifits that they look at. Usually if the person is on life support, the government pays for the machines, nurses home visits and for home attendant.
Also, would you consider signing a “Do not resussitate” for yourself?
I personallly believe that putting a person on life support when there is no hope for comming back is a torture.
mera nahi khayaal ...agar islamic view may dekha jaye to Insaan ka zindah rehna life support machines etc per dependant nahi hota....woh uss waqt tak zindah rahe ga jub tuk uss kee life likhi hay.....han agar religion ko nikaal ker socha jaye toa mera khayaal hay u r right !
I personallly believe that putting a person on life support when there is no hope for comming back is a torture.
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I agree on this.. I guess putting someone on life support is a pain not only for the person who is dying but for the family who is around them.. its like you see them dying every moment and you just can't do anything for them.. I would rather opt for a quick death than a slow torture death that will be a suffering for so many ppl...I can't see my loved ones in trouble/pain but would like them to be free of pain.
I won't consider this only if someone is in coma because miracles do happen in such cases, otherwise euthanasia is a best choice available to get rid of pain and sufferings.
Active euthanasia where patients may end their lives by for example lethal injection is not permissible under any circumstances.
Passive euthanasia where patients may withhold treatment or artificial life-support is only permissible if a trustworthy specialist feels that there is no hope of survival. *(Bahas-o-Nazar; Fiqh Academy, India) *
i believe mojazai can happen. i'd like to give one example here. amitabh bachchan {indian actor} during a fight scene in his film coolie {1984} was accidentally stabbed by his opponent, when he was rushed to hospital his condition was very critical, he went into a coma for days and one day infront of jaya bachchan {wife} he actually went for 10 to 15 seconds.... and she was like no way my husband can't die wagharia wagharia and a miracle of allah happened he came back after a few seconds.
jab zindagi ki muddat puri ho jayee gi then allah ka bulava aa ja hai ga needn't worry about life support machines even they won't say us when it's our turn to taste death.
i believe mojazai can happen. i'd like to give one example here. amitabh bachchan {indian actor} during a fight scene in his film coolie {1984} was accidentally stabbed by his opponent, when he was rushed to hospital his condition was very critical, he went into a coma for days and one day infront of jaya bachchan {wife} he actually went for 10 to 15 seconds.... and she was like no way my husband can't die wagharia wagharia and a miracle of allah happened he came back after a few seconds.
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where do you find out this information from? oh, never mind. :)
hmmm...this is probably one of the toughest dilemmas that modern science has brought forward...not an easy issue to talk about..i guess my opinion on this is that "jis k oopar aati hae wohi jaanta hae"...i have a close relative who had to decide about discontinuing life support to his young son...and to this day he has not been able to make peace with his decision...he still thinks, "what if we had continued life support"...
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Not sure.I mean things out of the ordinary tend to happen- especially in medicine.
Only Allah knows if the person will come out of it or not.
The costs dont seem to hold any importance what so ever.
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MQ I aggree with you on the fact that Allah knows the best. In general when i started this thread i was thinking more about 80 year old person with multiple medical problems living in a nursing home.
But I am sure that things can be different for younger patients as they have more chances of living a healthy life IF they survive this. Older patients usually have more co-morbid conditions. Things will not change for them even if they get out of this episode.
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mera nahi khayaal ...agar islamic view may dekha jaye to Insaan ka zindah rehna life support machines etc per dependant nahi hota....woh uss waqt tak zindah rahe ga jub tuk uss kee life likhi hay.....han agar religion ko nikaal ker socha jaye toa mera khayaal hay u r right !
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I dont know what Islamic point of view is on this, but just prolonging the life of someone with machines does not seem to impress me.
I agree on this.. I guess putting someone on life support is a pain not only for the person who is dying but for the family who is around them.. its like you see them dying every moment and you just can't do anything for them.. I would rather opt for a quick death than a slow torture death that will be a suffering for so many ppl...I can't see my loved ones in trouble/pain but would like them to be free of pain.
I won't consider this only if someone is in coma because miracles do happen in such cases, otherwise euthanasia is a best choice available to get rid of pain and sufferings.
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GTG you wont imagine how many times it is the families that persist on continuing the life support system. Alot of time they just look at their immediate benifits that they will get out of it and dont even think about what the person is going through. Most of these patients have been living in Nursing homes for years and when this situation arrives the families want to continue life support.
But i cant even imagine myself living a life like this.
Active euthanasia where patients may end their lives by for example lethal injection is not permissible under any circumstances.
Passive euthanasia where patients may withhold treatment or artificial life-support is only permissible if a trustworthy specialist feels that there is no hope of survival. *(Bahas-o-Nazar; Fiqh Academy, India) *
jab zindagi ki muddat puri ho jayee gi then allah ka bulava aa ja hai ga needn't worry about life support machines even they won't say us when it's our turn to taste death.
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I dont believe in Active Euthanasia either. I think that is equivalent of suicide.
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hmmm...this is probably one of the toughest dilemmas that modern science has brought forward...not an easy issue to talk about..i guess my opinion on this is that "jis k oopar aati hae wohi jaanta hae"...i have a close relative who had to decide about discontinuing life support to his young son...and to this day he has not been able to make peace with his decision...he still thinks, "what if we had continued life support"...
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Irem it is always hard when there are children involved. I remember when i was doing pediatric rotation, in the beginning i was not even able to draw blood from infants, even though i had no relationship with any of them. Withdrawing support from a child is a whole different scenario. I hope that no one gets to see such a day. But in that case you just need advice from good doctors and then have faith in Allah that it was his/her time to go.
theres been so many cases of people waking up after decades of vegetative condition... i just cant imagine me ever agreeing to it for anyone i love if there is the smallest prospect of getting them back.
I am all for it....I am thinking of an advance directive for myself....for no active measures to be taken when there is no hope of my life to be extended...or little hope with extreme measures...
What gives you or anybody else the right to kill another person? According to Internationl law and morality it is called murder. Why is this any different?
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What gives you or anybody else the right to kill another person? According to Internationl law and morality it is called murder. Why is this any different?
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No its not murder. We are talking about people that are on life support machines. Murder would be killing a person that has some prospects to live. Alot of people have advance directives for "Do not Resussicate" and "Do not Intubate". The point was that that people who have many co-morbid conditions and are old, how long do you force them to live on machines and who should decide about discontinuing life support when the person himself does not have any directives.
Goliko I aggree with you and would definitely consider it too. Actuallly after just seeing one resussitation attempt, I had that planned.
i would have to agree with proudpakistani... its not called murder. Sometimes you just have to let the person go
i asked about braindead patients on life support earlier... i know a family who had to unforunately take the decision of turning off the machine... its really sad.. i would no way call that murder..
What is the definition of murder? When someone takes another persons life? Is that agreed?
What medically constituted as life? When there is brain activity. A man is a coma is still considered alive, even someone on life support is considered alive because there is brain activity. When brain activity ends only then is a person declared as dead. Any doctor here can comment on such a definition.
So if a person is medically alive as in their brain is functioning and to take them off life support or cease the functioning of their body is considered murder.
It is only legal in Holland. All other countries in the world, all 192 of them have deemed it illegal.
Moral speaking you have no right to take another person’s life no matter what.
This links to another discussion I am having another forum; here is the link to the topic of the discussion and not the actual discussion.