Differences between different schools of thought

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Religion forum had been hijacked by the intolerant much before U can imagine. Islam used to be nothing but something to be talked and preached about. The spirit of Islam had been brutalized by these intolerant guys. It was than only when one pious soul exhibited what islam is all about. He showed what practical islam is supposed to be like. And showed all in style that is unique and unmatched in the world even today and is expected to remain till eternity. He sacrificed everything he had including his family than and there.

Intolerant hijackers too havent given up as yet. They are still on the prowl. Read their fatwa and enjoy, good jokes are not cracked in these days except fatwas of these drunken molvis. Keep watching, U must be knowing who will emerge as winner in end, truth of falsehood.

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i said shias are kafirs. the term is religious. infact this line of thinking could reduce hate and certainly reduce conflict. for example did you know my mere participation on this forum reduces 'hate'! like i came across shias on this very forum, perhaps i am denying others the chance to get involved and appreciate shiaism for what it is.

also there was a similar situation brewing with another community who are actually 11x less kafir then shias, imo, but the matter was brought under control by sense and sensibility. the situation was improved by it, and i can term the move as successful. of course since you are in religious company, you should respect that our sense and sensibility is gained from what was revealed in the Revelation

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By the way, one can argue your bringing in Syria Lebanon et al should be expressed in one of the political forums.
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that whole post was political, basically i decided to reply to you.

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PS how is this thread evidence that Islam is weak? Is it because someone dared to disagree with your version?
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if you cannot see how Islam is weak, i would rather not try to explain.
of those heralding from perceived muslim communities on this thread, if anything they have disagreed with their own version of Islam. or disagree with it without saying. the fatawa is from their community, from the highest level of scholarship. this set disagree with me but they have no religion or version to disagree with.

theres another set which agrees with me somewhat on this subject but their participation is restricted by social pressures. i respect their concerns, but if you wish to give a newsflash regarding them or my perception of them please do so

both the above groups opinions do matter to me

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shias have no book

if iqbal is talking about shias here then he has been deceived

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shiaism is a completely different religion. i am qualified to be an khoe'd aya tulla(t), i can tell you its a completely different religion

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shiaism is built upon takfir. it is so reliant on takfir of those called Believers by Allah SWT it has made a rival religion. shiaism cannot even hold same beliefs as Muslims (takfir) but it can hold beliefs which we lean less too (taqiyah). choosing positions of known falsehood rather then to believe in the revelation. basically a faith whose aim it is to become the munafiqs (worse then jews, christians and other kuffar)

advice to muslims:

**Never stand you therein. Verily, the mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety is more worthy that you stand therein (to pray). In it are men who love to clean and to purify themselves. And Allah loves those who make themselves clean and pure...

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who to emulate in deen, and what the hypocrites say:

*And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم, Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not.
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i absolutely agree with the fatwa

One who regards them as a Muslim after being aware of their cursed beliefs, or doubts them being a Kāfir, he himself is a Kāfir according to the consensus of leading scholars of Islam. The Shari’ah rules mentioned above about the Rawāfiḍ, are the rules about him. This is Farḍ (obligatory) upon Muslims to heed to this Fatwa (verdict) attentively and become a true, staunch Sunni Muslim by following this Fatwa.

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Do you think they have different sahifa placed in their Imam Bargahs?

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they are to recite what we have till their imam stops hiding

thats recite, without IMAN, for taqiyah purposes

i am gona get you some examples for the benefit of others

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of their scholars, shiaism/taqiyah:

for ‘believing shiites’ ie those who look to their own texts:
http://hubeali.com/articles/Jummah-Hukam-Jihad-Khums.pdf
watch out for:
*This (Verse) has been distorted O Jaber!

  • Imam sws said to Jabir this verse has again been distorted! This Ayath was descended like this:
    *This Ayath descended like this

*you can hear it from me or the bbc - they are heretics. its a very problematic area for shiites, and i have a more intellectual piece which accurately explains what they are doing to remain hypocrites whilst increasing their taqiyah written by an ex shiite iirc. let me know if you would like to read it

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Shardmanny, I doubt any Shia will answer u......most try to stay clear of things tht r impure......but anyway, I am willing to go down the gutter if I have to.........shall we start by getting ur opinion on people who say that the noble Quran is incomplete........is such person deserved of a lanat and more?......what do u say? whats ur fatwa today?

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what you are going to do is bring a rafidhi understanding to a line or two of one of our hadiths, i have been around this circus many times with shiites

if you want to defend shiiteism then do so by giving shiite answers, from your religion. that would be more beneficial. for example have i misquoted above in post 47? given the wrong impression?

if your actual opinion is shiites are a different religion from muslims, then you should agree with me anyway. i think you personally do agree with me. you think shiiteism is islam, right? and you know we are not shiites!

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sheaites should be deemed kafirs in pakistan and should be treated like hindus and sikhs

we could also help the economy by taking jizya from them

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Btw this thread had nothing to do with shias or their beliefs, this thread was related to the different schools of thought from Sunnis. I have got no answer to that and the thread has been diverted.

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I would be glad to answer U in ur language, but my religion doesnt permit me to speak like this, so I wont. All I have to say is its upon ALLAH to decide.

May ALLAH show U the right path. Ameen.

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I agree with U Ali.

I wanted to know one thing from U as a mod. Is it for Indians like us who are entitled to get all the warnings and laqab like troll, or Pakistanis are to be treated in same manner when they forget the civil language. Just curious to know.

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U have already told me that shiaism is a different religion. But I asked U that whether the difference is in disliking the first three caliphs of anything else which U havent answered. Will U now?

And as for ur agreement with the fatwa in question is concerned, its ur choice to be with followers of Yazid and Muawiya or to be with followers of the holy prophet.

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Pakistanis get a similar treatment too, many of them get points and get banned.

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my answer was to show that i believe shias are kafirs on the whole spectrum of its beliefs then just Rafzi as what the fatwa was about. my answer remains the same - shiaism is a completely different religion - thus kafir, kafir, kafir

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And as for ur agreement with the fatwa in question is concerned, its ur choice to be with followers of Yazid and Muawiya or to be with followers of the holy prophet.
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you who dances on the wounds of the ahlebayt. it is our aqeedah that we love the ahlebayt, (and they love us). thats every single school of us. we follow the Prophet SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA ALEHI WA SAHBIHI WA SALLIM

'when two groups of believers fall to fighting make ye peace between them'

let me remind you of your religion - what you say is that imams lived with sunnis, made universities to teach sunnis, and they lied. they were teaching lies. living a life of lies but they taught iraqis the real religion. basically your religion comes from kufis who say they were given rafidhi religion secretly and that the imams were publically liars. inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

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my answer was to show that i believe shias are kafirs on the whole spectrum of its beliefs then just Rafzi as what the fatwa was about. my answer remains the same - shiaism is a completely different religion - thus kafir, kafir, kafir
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But why kafir bro? Permit me to let U know that I m a born hindu who accepted shiaism. I know that U dont care but just wanted to let U know. We recite the same kalima, we believe in same book, holy quran, and we believe in everything U believe. We only dont like to side with first three caliphs who we feel were not good humans leave aside being muslims. I can agree with U that speaking foul language about anyone is not permitted in Islam, so those who speak bad about first three may be wrong in doing so, but declaring them kafir just because they dont like some guys is not justified.

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you who dances on the wounds of the ahlebayt. it is our aqeedah that we love the ahlebayt, (and they love us). thats every single school of us. we follow the Prophet SALLAHU ALAIHI WA ALEHI WA SAHBIHI WA SALLIM?

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We dont dance bro, but we cry on the wounds of ahlebayt. Loving ahlebayt may be ur aqeedah, but when U guys side with likes of Yazid and Muawiyah, than U deceive ur own aqidah in our views. U follow none but likes of Yazid and Muawiyah, the whole situation of muslim world today is outcome of ur following wrong guys. Check out this reality plz.

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et me remind you of your religion - what you say is that imams lived with sunnis, made universities to teach sunnis, and they lied. they were teaching lies. living a life of lies but they taught iraqis the real religion. basically your religion comes from kufis who say they were given rafidhi religion secretly and that the imams were publically liars. inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un
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Plz dont do so. We know our religion very well. Who are liars is well known to this world, so no point discussing this. The world know who are with Zalim and who are with haq.

May ALLAH show U the right path, Ameen.

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you and fellow shias are kafir as per my religion, Islam. i can, since i am qualified to be an kho’d ayatullat, make a case for you being a disbelievers as per shiaism but it would be playing with words since the only belief you need is to ‘believe in Ali’. that is again belief in your religion, but kufr in mine.

and no i do not care that you say, as i have heard almost every shia say they are new converts to shiaism. for me you went from hinduism to another form of hinduism.

you recite the kalima as per shiaism, verses of the Quran tell us you are still not muslims

so if you believe in the same holy Quran, can you pass comment on this:

we make takfir of rafzis and tabbarrai, and its a surety these are kafirs. but at this stage when you are coming the issue of caliphate and the Sahaba Razi Allah ta’ala anhu at least here you yourself should admit that we are two different religions. let me again tell you of your religion you believe the Prophet SAW came to install Ali RA, we reject this we believe the Prophet SAW delivered the Complete and Perfected Message himself, you believe imams were infalliable (prophets) with great powers whom you only call imams due the status sunnis have given to the Prophet SAW of khatam nabiyin. again this whole issue carries takfir from us to you. these are things which you admit even with taqiyah, and i personally am aware of the full range of your beliefs. let me tell you the actual shia beliefs and where they emanate from has nothing to do with Ali RA or Islam at all.

this is not some extremist opinion but just a honest comparison of the two religions

ive seen relatively more sane shia scholars say shias do nothing but dance on the wounds of the ahulbayt. btw these relatively more sane scholars are kafir too

as for yazid then know that we are Hussainis. what we do and what we do not do is based from our religion which is dependent on Allah SWT judging us all. btw shias killed Hussain RA, it was an act of deception and great treachery from them. i hope you beat yourself for it. you deserve it and more. and whoever else was involved is cursed

as for Ali RA and Muawiya RA, know that our aqeedah matches that of our Imams including Ali RA

‘when two groups of believers fall to fighting make ye peace between them’

as for the liars:

we had our Imam Ali RA to deal with the situation in reality with Truth, your fictitious imam was not there

are really a jew like the shia scholar is saying?

see you know who the liars are. you wont say outloud, ok. what i am asking you to do is to come to terms with it and accept you are a different religion. the scholars that have got you doing this game of hide and seek are just plain evil. as i know why they are doing it. you can have your belief, your not a kafir in your believe are you? you are a kafir from our belief. lets accept it. this mingling with your sects refusal to accept this simple fact is causing no end of problems, including the vast majority of killing going on. this is causing problems even in the sunni vs sunni domain, imo

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^^ some one please ban this ejit - labelling a Muslim as kafir is not allowed here

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^the rafzi and the tabbarai are kafirs

come say you are not rafzis or tabbarrai, and distance yourself from those who are

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btw i am not now and never have been bothered for any personal insult*