Difference between Taliban and MMA Govt in NWFP

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One basic differnce that Taliban were poineer of religious stupidity, but MMA govt is not capable of producing anything geniune, even stupidity.

Jokes aside, Contrary to anticipation, it is not another mullah bashing, Taliban bashing thread :stuck_out_tongue:

Taliban govt was successful in doing somehting which no other govt was able to do in that country.

1 Reducing the poppy cultivation (heroin) in its controlled area, almost eliminated. After the US invasion, now Afghanistan is the biggest exporter of this narcotics.

  1. Establishing peace. The reduced the crime rate in cities

  2. Reducing Child molestation. Prior to Taliban, it was rampant in urban Afghanistan. Taliban imposed a ban on this, and reduced the crime drastically

Although these ^^ actions were purely taken due to Islamic orders, they tried to follow. But they were unable to solve the “problems”,

  1. Poppy is the biggest ‘Cash crop’ of Afghanistan, most of the rural population depends heavily on this crop to be able to feed their household. They (taliban) never offered any alternative and closed down the only source of income for afghans

  2. Peace ok. But what about emplyement ??? The people had no jobs. And the govt was clueless how to provide jobs :confused:

  3. No training in diplomacy or foreign affairs whatsoever. How to make friends in outer world. and how to highlight govts "goody goody " policies of eliminating Poppy crop ? and how to make world realize that they are working for elimination of menece ? Make the world aware that they imposed a ban on child molestation ?

But on the other hand MMA govt is not even sincere to Islam, let alone anyone else. They are a bunch of hypocrites, because they know what the “real problems” are but (despite having relatively better technical know how than taliban), they never tackle these issues.

They know that there are Big loopholes in Hudood ordinace, and it requires changes, but they furiously oppose it. Just becuase of politics

They know how big problem are honor killing and child molestation. and how anti islamic they are. But they have never done anything against it, rather they opposed the porposed law against honor killing.

The fundamental problem with both govt is that “they are not capable of solving real problems” because they are not educated to cater the hardcore issues like financial management, Administration, economics, Industrial & agricultural management . The are and they will remain clueless about the important pratical issues which a country or population faces.

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To address the issues at root level one needs to reform the education system.

The current Madrissa education is way out dated. And a student learning from there wont be able to solve any real world problems..

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/education/education1.htm

We can not deny the fact that these seminaries have a vital role in society as they provide education, and lodging to thousands of poor kids, but they need reforms just like our wholes educations system.

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Talibans are not stupid. They are the perfect persons and they are capable to govern.

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^ Is that a joke?

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You are right here. They were highly effective militia in recent times, they captured most of Afghanistan very fast, which shows their military skills :k:

This comment shows that you don’t have a clue about good governance :slight_smile:

First and far most, Taliban had almost zero expertise in governance. In a war torn country like afghanistan, any govt’s first priority should be the rehabilitation of people after establishing peace. providing them necessities of life like food, shelter etc.

Taliban established peace. fine. but for the rest they offered Islam to hungery people for breakfast, lunch and dinner. They imposed ban on most of the sources of income of afghans but offered no alternatives and forced people to starve.

Its all past now, but the root cause is what i already mentioned in 2nd post. They were inept to solve these problems because of their education…

The most important flaws in this system are following:

**- The pedagogical patterns are such that critical thinking, analytical skills and creative faculties of the students are suppressed.

– A unidimensional approach to reality is imposed on the young minds of the students.

– Respect for the opinion of others is discouraged.**

^ This approach only creates herd of sheeps, instead of intelligent human being capable of using inductive and deductive methods for solving problems.

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//Talibans are not stupid. They are the perfect persons and they are capable to govern.
//

Give this guy a break.... He just graduated from one of these seminaries .
Hey OMG congratulations for graduating in one piece (hopefully!!!)

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the majority of the taliban where under the age of thirty five and had lived in a country with no proper education system for around twenty years

if they had been educated would they have governed better?

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^ Ironic isn't it...the Taliban being uneducated. The Answer ot your question is NO!!. Anyone who confuses spirtualism with governance should be shot in the head, prefereably in a soccer stadium.

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how do you know, they made the life of the people safer, if they knew how to they may have made it profitable too

Cafe Needz cleaning
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^ So did Stalin...after he killed 20 m of his own. So did Deng..ISlamic governance is very much like communist dictat. It is a failed concept, completely incongruant to human capabilities. It will work in places where education standards are low, individuaism and innovation is shunned and dissent of any kind is considered blasphemy.

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if it was done on a small scale (like a kibbutz)without the murder part would it be a good thing?

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I reply to all posts regarding to my reply.

Talibans are highly educated persons. They are engineers, doctors, scientists etc. In their time, Women got most rights and most respect. It is due to western Media that people of world started thinking against Talibans.

How they started. Its a long story. I will tell you in short.

In the rule of Shumali Itehaad, women were treated worstly. Rape was common in their time. So when they attacked a house in Mullah Ummer's street. Thay killed the father of two young ladies, after that raped their mother and killed her too. Then one sister jumped into well to prevent her from rape. The other ran away and went into mosque with bare head. Where Mullah Umer was sitting with his fellows. She told him the whole story. And that moved Mullah Umer to start raid against Shumali Itehaad. So you know the rest how they got the rule.

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^ I'm sorry did you live in Afghanistan or talk to Afghani refugees who ran away from the Taliban rule?

Or are you just following what someone told you -really, you keep evading my question - what is your source - who is teaching you all this?

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Islamic governance is not at all like a communist dictatorship - I suggest you read up on some good history on how the Islamic empire was governed during its Golden Age.

Its when people misuse Islam and when you have the wrong people getting in power, then it becomes a system that can break apart - but every system has that problem to it.

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//^ I'm sorry did you live in Afghanistan or talk to Afghani refugees who ran away from the Taliban rule?
Or are you just following what someone told you -really, you keep evading my question - what is your source - who is teaching you all this?//
I hate to tell you this PyariCgudia but didnt I tell you so -"He is newbie graduate from one of the seminaries". They told him there.

OMG jokes apart have you burried your head in the sand or the mountains. If the Taliban were doctors, scientists engineers where did they study. Which university did they goto. Maybe they graduated from the same seminary where you went to !!!

PG-It is very nice and glorifying to talk about the golden age of Islamic rule. If it was so good, how come it collapsed. It collapsed because of its inherent weakness. You might say that it was because of bad people taking over the system. If the system was so good how were bad people able to take advantange of the system. The system could not forsee itself being in conflict and was a victim of its own internal weakness. If this system was from God, it would not have happened. Hope you got the point that I am trying to make...

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sigh

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