Difference between Old Isa Ibn-e-Maryam(as) and new Massih(as)

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Holy Prophet has explicitly given physical descriptions of both Eesa bin Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) differently: the old one and the new one, in his Ahadith in Sahih Bukhari, Kitabul Anbiya.

Here’s the link for you to read online:

www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/055.sbt.html

Old Jesus son of Mary (A prophet towards Bani Israel) :

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Volume 4, Book 55, Number 607:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, "On the night of my Ascension to Heaven, I saw (the prophet) Moses who was a thin person with lank hair, looking like one of the men of the tribe of Shanua; and **I saw Jesus who was of average height with red face as if he had just come out of a bathroom. **And I resemble prophet Abraham more than any of his offspring does. Then I was given two cups, one containing milk and the other wine. Gabriel said, ‘Drink whichever you like.’ I took the milk and drank it. Gabriel said, ‘You have accepted what is natural, (True Religion i.e. Islam) and if you had taken the wine, your followers would have gone astray.’ "

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 608:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet said, “One should not say that I am better than Jonah (i.e. Yunus) bin Matta.” So, he mentioned his father Matta. The Prophet mentioned the night of his Ascension and said, “The prophet Moses was brown, a tall person as if from the people of the tribe of Shanu’a. **Jesus was a curly-haired man of moderate height.” **He also mentioned Malik, the gate-keeper of the (Hell) Fire, and Ad-Dajjal.

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 647:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, “I met Moses on the night of my Ascension to heaven.” The Prophet then described him saying, as I think, "He was a tall person with lank hair as if he belonged to the people of the tribe of Shanu’s.’ The Prophet further said, “I met Jesus.” The Prophet described him saying, **“He was one of moderate height and was red-faced **as if he had just come out of a bathroom. I saw Abraham whom I resembled more than any of his children did.”

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 648:
Narrated Ibn Umar:

The Prophet said, “I saw Moses, Jesus and Abraham (on the night of my Ascension to the heavens). **Jesus was of red complexion, curly hair and a broad chest. **Moses was of brown complexion, straight hair and tall stature as if he was from the people of Az-Zutt.”

New Jesus son of Mary (Metaphorically)

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Volume 4, Book 55, Number 649:
Narrated Abdullah:

The Prophet mentioned the Massiah Ad-Dajjal in front of the people saying, Allah is not one eyed while Messsiah, Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a bulging out grape. While sleeping near the Ka’ba last night, I saw in my dream **a man of brown color the best one can see amongst brown color and his hair was long that it fell between his shoulders. His hair was lank and water was dribbling from his head **and he was placing his hands on the shoulders of two men while circumambulating the Kaba. I asked, ‘Who is this?’ They replied, ‘This is Jesus, son of Mary.’

In short, Holy Prophet (PBUH) has described both old and new Jesus completely differently. So they can not be the same one

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OK..mate…carry..on :wave:…:slight_smile:

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How dare you suggest that the Qadiani Dajjal (laanatullah alaih) is an incarnation of Jesus (alaihis salaam). Jesus (alaihis salaam) son of Mary (alaihas salaam) was one of the greatest of God’s messengers to human kind and your smelly Mirza (laanatullah alaih) was the lowest of the low.

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^^ Ur right Bhai

Dont no where he get these & Paste stuff :confused:

USE ur God given brain yar:french:

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Mr. Saif-ul-Islam:

Mr. Zakiahmed dared to quote the Ahadith to prove his point. Do you have any problem with quoting Ahadith? Please explain!

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Me Me when did i say that:confused::k:

when did holy Prophet BPUH said there will b two Hazra Isa hm…
Mr i Qute Hadiths

And btw i thought u didnt believe in the comin back of Hazrat Isa As is not coming back. As per u u dont believe in super man dont u…:rotato:

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Holy Prophet:saw: has given two different descriptions of Isa Ibne Maryam:as:. The one who was the old one sent to Israets has been given a totally different physical description to the new one who is to come in later time.

This suggests that the new Isa Ibn-e-Maryam will altogether be different man, born within the Ummat of Muhammad:saw:

I suggest you read those Ahadiths again. May Allah guide us all.

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so we will wait for him as u say.. by any chance Muhammad (PBUH) also said both Isa’s would be buried in India?

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Mr. Degas:

So you are admitting that Jesus you are waiting for would be a differnt person from the Jesus son of marry who came to the people of Israel!

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^^hell no hes just ridiculing u cant u see the question mark.

Leave every thing U ppl dont believe in the coming back of Hazrat Isa AS so how come all of a sudden ur sayiing he will come back

fatehahmad Mr. Saif-ul-Islam:

Mr. Zakiahmed dared to quote the Ahadith to prove his point. Do you have any problem with quoting Ahadith? Please explain!

He may have dared but can he prove that one of the Hadith is not incorrect, how can one hadith contradict the other (when its said by the same great man) …:confused:

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Relevant to this discussion

The two Hadiths give a physical description of Jesus. Jesus has been described as Asmar in the first Hadith, which means yellowish-brown, not totally brown or totally white, but a combination of yellow and light brown. The wording of the second Hadith is A’damun, which means whitish-red. This has been explained by Imam Zarqani, who says that Jesus’ original colour was yellowish-white, which would turn to red if he was angry or had taken a bath in hot water etc.

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^^ thank u Sooner than later :)

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Thats the point. It’s not contradicting if you interpret that hadith as a separate person. Now question arises why was that other person given the name of Jesus son of Marry:as:. This is because, he will come at the same time in Muhammad:saw: ummat as Jesus:as: had come in Moses’s:as: Ummat. The conditions of muslims will be same as the condition of Jews was at the time of Jesus:as:'s advent. The time will mach so much so and the attributes of the prophethood will match so much so between the two prophets that Huzur:saw: has given the new prophet the same name, just to show their resemblence.

And FYI, we also use this type of expression in our common language. For example, if someone is a very ‘sakhi’, don’t we say “yeh to hatim tayee hai” or when someone is very good poet, don’t we sometimes say that he’s Ghalib etc etc

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Other than my good friend Maddy, none of the people involved in the discussion had anything worthwhile to say!

The understanding of Imam Zarqani is to be respected at it's place, though (1) it still doesn't address the difference in the description of hair between the two Ahadiths, where at one time it's reported as curly while in the other it's straight or lank. (2) also, it's important to note that one Hadiths refers to Miraj while the other refers to the later days or the time of Dajjal (3) it's an opinion.

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*Originally posted by ahmadjee: *
Other than my good friend Maddy, none of the people involved in the discussion had anything worthwhile to say!

The understanding of Imam Zarqani is to be respected at it's place, though (1) it still doesn't address the difference in the description of hair between the two Ahadiths, where at one time it's reported as curly while in the other it's straight or lank. (2) also, it's important to note that one Hadiths refers to Miraj while the other refers to the later days or the time of Dajjal (3) it's an opinion.
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He could have hair that straightens as it grows longer. When people get down to the level of arguing about a man's choice of hairstyle in the hadith, we are truly getting pedantic!!!

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^
And it also says that water was dribbling from his head, now obviously it must have been very wet if the water was dribbling and that’s what could have made it lank at the time.

When I use to have hair up to the bottom of my ear lobes they were usually wavy when dry or towel dry but when I had just come out of the shower they were striaght.

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Maddy Bhia,

To me the context of the Hadiths are really clear. One talks of Miraj & explicitly of Hazrat Isa (as) in heaven, where he should be and describes him as what a normal Jewish Rabbi look like. With fair skin & curly hair! And the other talks of his second coming where he is brownish & straight hair, like Mirza Sahib. But if someone points out that maybe he was actually taking a bath in the heavens or maybe was angry at something & so his face was red than the otherwise brown complexion described in the other hadiths then I have the right to reflect on some other 'maybes' as well. IMO, he should have been angry at the Dajjal making his face red and if water was flowing through his ear lobes that made his hair go straight from curly, then he probably came out of a shower.

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I just came across this interesting article. I think it is pertaining to the current thread. As one of the Major Signs of the Mehdi would be being from Prophet SAW’s Progeny…

(read the whole article if you have time, it is an interesting one, specially the last paragraph).

http://www.jamiat.org.za/v43qadiayn.html

(some of the page numbers do not co-incide with the current version of Roohani Khazain as it is revised, the content is there but on a different page. For example one of the Citations about Hajj to Qadiyan is on p352 vol 5, well if you look in the index of vol.5 in the Letter “Haa” there is a mention of that phrase as being on page 352, but the actual content is not found on that page).

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Mr. Perplexing:

Why are you running in circles? The allegations against the Promised Messiah AS in that website have already been answered in the very same discussion group by different Ahmadis. But you still have to go to another Anti-Ahmadiyya website and continue to repeat your rhetoric.

May Allah give you hidayat!

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Mr. Fateh Ahmad, We have not discussed the family of Mirza Sahib (being a persian or Moghul). If you have a problem with me providing a link for anything from any site, then please I would advise you not to participate in this and let others read it.