Is it true that a momin is anyone who belives in oneness of god and doesnt consider another entity god’s equal ??
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shias use it as code for isna-ashri shia. :p
"apnai momin bhai hain" "oh acha acha"
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Is it true that a momin is anyone who belives in oneness of god and doesnt consider another entity god's equal ??
NO
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Is it true that a momin is anyone who belives in oneness of god and doesnt consider another entity god's equal ??
Peace Sable
Both Muslims and Mo'mins fit this definition. Iman from which the function Mo'min comes infers that this is a level higher than simply believing rather it is one who brings those beliefs into his/her actions.
Simply putting it:
Muslim - Submitter by heart
Mo'min - Enacter of submission
Muhsin - Excellor in submission
The term for believer in One God is Mutawahhid from the word wahada
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I thought Momin is a really religious, deeply spiritual Muslim.... and a Muslim can be either very conservative or very liberal or not practicing (but still a Muslim).
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Aside from the definition Br. Psyah offered, this is how i always thought of it:
Muslim is someone who believes and is struggling to practice and live by the way faith prescribes for him/her.
Momin is one who has already achieved that and already lives the way the faith prescribes.
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Iman for tawheed and the adaptation to the way of moderate mutaqi life living are two elements required for being a believer of the Faith. So, by that a Musalimah or a Muslim are Momin or a Momina, no?
best,
Dushwari
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Peace All
Unfortunately we are bound by linguistic and religious definitions of such terms:
We cannot equate mo'min with muslim because the Qur'an makes the distinction between the two. A Muslim may pray five times a day, but it could be that he has not believed. Or a Muslim has believed but it could be he is not practicing. But in English the meaning for believer is not the same as that as one who believes in Arabic. Those beliefs should be put into practice throughout the whole person.
It is quite possible for me to submit without wanting to submit and it is quite possible for me wanting to submit without actually submitting, but when I am submitting whilst wanting to submit then that is what is termed mo'min. Being true to ones true beliefs.
Surah 23 Al-Mu'minoon
Focus on Verse 2 - Those who offer their Salat with all solemnity and full submissiveness.
Focus on Verse 9 - Those who are faithfully true to their Amanat and to their covenants.
From these it is clear that Mo'minoon are those who do their duties with intent.
Just verses before these in Surah Al-Hajj verse 78
And strive .....It is the religion of your father Ibrahim. It is He (Allah) Who has named you Muslims both before and in this, that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you be witnesses over mankind. So perform As-Salat, give Zakat, and hold fast to Allah...
As you can see the Muslims need to be told what to do, but the mo'minoon are doing what they have been told.
Thereafter there are many references in the Qur'an talking about the Muhsinoon. By definition they are not only doing their duties, with intent, but in their intentions and actions is excellence.
They bring positive emotional support into the equation. They not only intend to worship God but they love to worship God. And they will often surpass their obligations and do more, they will not only satisfy meeting the rights of others, but will if they have to sacrifice their own rights to meet the rights of others. Sacrificing ones own rights is not a requirement in Islam, however, when done the reward is levied for such.
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In simple words, Muslim is the one who says Shahadah (believe in Allah and the Last Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Mu'min is the one who (after saying Shahadah) establishes 5 pillars accordingly.
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MUSLIM WOH JO ALLAH KO MANAY
MOMIN WOH JO ALLAH KI MANAY
:)
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yahan, I thought that too 
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That’s the most complete understanding of the subject.
It’s very simple… Iqraar-um-bil-lisaan (saying the shahaadah with tongue) is becoming Muslim - but Tasdeeq-um-bil-Qalb (accepting it with your heart) is becoming a Momin…
A very exact ayah in Quran for the reference (The english translation actually does not do the justice with the words Islam and Iman so therefore, read the Arabic along with it):
49:14] The desert Arabs say, “We believe/have Iman.” Say, “Ye have no faith/Iman; but ye (only)say, ‘We have submitted our wills to Allah,’ For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
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Asalamua’laikum bro AQ
Unfortunately it is not that easy, partly because the understood term ‘iman’ is often wrongly associated to the term ‘faith’.
It is not enough for us to say “I believe in One God and Muhammad (SAW) as final messenger” to be Muslim. That is like putting the cart before the horse. Islam forbids us from placing blind faith in something i.e. we are required to research the Qur’an and Sunnah and then confirm in our hearts that the statement is true, then we bear witness that Allah is One and Muhammad (SAW) is indeed the messenger. In addition the Muslim believes that he aught to do the 5 pillars in completion, should strive towards goodness and avoid evil and be very careful for preserving the whole of the religion.
The mo’min is one who undertakes these duties after correctly believing in them. Therefore your explanation that I have highlighted in red is not the same as the the ayat that you have pasted. JazakAllahu khair for that ayat it shows that simple belief is not ‘iman’ it requires them to ‘obey’ … obedience is a concept that is nested in action not in just the heart.
Saying the Shahadah = Just lip service
Believing and Declaring Shahadah and Owning the Responsibility to undertake the duties after understanding Islam = Muslim
Doing the Duties after the above = Mo’min
Doing these to a state of perfection or doing more and treating the preferred like required and the unpreferred like forbidden = Muhsin
Doing/Avoiding all actions whilst contemplating how God will approve/disapprove of them = Muttaqi.
Striving to do the Duties that are incumbent when harm arrives to oneself or to ones own desires = mujahid
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Psyah: What is the definition of a Muslim in an Islamic State? Can you go ahead and declare every person a Kafir who does not practice Islam but declares with his tongue that Allah is One and Muhammad:saw2: is His final messenger?
As for the word faith, exactly why I insisted on reading the Arabic text…
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Assalamu’alaikum again AQ
Perhaps I’m not being clear, or perhaps I misunderstand, please correct me on the following …
Obedience is an action undertaken in a state of submission. This submissive tendency makes one a Muslim. That fact that belief has entered the heart is not measurable to you or I. However, obedience is. Also, to be a Muslim is to confirm the validity of all of the 5 pillars at least on oneself.
Allah (SWT) is the Knower of the hearts. What we are or are not allowed to do is irrespective of what is or is not the case.
A person who merely pays lips service to Islam SHOULD be treated as a MUSLIM, because we do not have the tools to distinguish between him and another who says Shahadah. For the sake of Muslims however, we should all know that it is our obligation to understand Islam before we declare witness to it. We should only think of ourselves as Muslim if we have undertaken Shahadah in the correct manner. Or is it enough that we were born in a Muslim household and have a Muslim name but we know nothing of Islam?
Or perhaps is it correct to say that we are Muslim if we say that God is One but He did not reveal the Qur’an? Or how about if we assume that Allah (SWT) will not Judge us. How can we be Muslim if we first do not learn about Allah (SWT)?
Being on the Fitrah is different from being a Muslim, also a person who does believe in Oneness is called another name - i.e. Muttawahid. (Monotheist).
The state does not sanction declaring the people kafir, but instead it can send people to ensure people are performing their prayers. That is according to the understanding I have seen and heard that Muslims can tell other Muslims to pray, it falls back on that ayat that you quoted.
Islam has five pillars - lose one and Islam is not there. Muslim cannot be complete without at least hoping to do all five pillars.
Iman has six pillars - basically they all stem from aspects which rationale cannot directly bring together. They are nested in the ghaib, but they are all affirmations. An affirmation is stronger than a belief. It means to add strength to the argument. We do so by being compliant to what we profess.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/001.smt.html
From the few hadith relating directy to the question … “What is Islam?” and “What is Iman?” The answers given by Muhammad (SAW) are interesting.