One example of honour and might which Islamic history testifies to; it is the stance of Rib’i Ibn ‘Aamir, may Allaah be pleased with him, with the leader of the Persian army Rostom.
When Rostom asked Rib’i Ibn ‘Aamir, may Allaah be pleased with him: “What made you fight against us and come to our land?” he replied: “Allaah sent us to take whomever He wishes from His slaves from being enslaved to other humans to the servitude of the Lord of all creations; and from the injustice of all other religions to the justice of Islaam.” then looked to the right to the left of Rostom and saw that his army is bowing down before Rostom in humility, so he continued: “We used to hear that you were intelligent bright-minded people, but I have never seen people who are more brainless then you; we Muslims do not take each other as slaves; it would have been better if you had told me that you take some people from amongst you as your Lord!” The people looked at one-another and began whispering that: “This Bedouin is speaking the truth”; the leaders felt that Rib’i’s words were like a bolt of lightning which destroyed them and shook their positions; some of them started saying: ‘The words of this Bedouin made our slaves become attracted to (his sayings) him.” This is the might of Islaam and the honour of belief, and that is the difference between us and the companions of the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam.
‘Umar Ibn Al-Khattaab, may Allaah be pleased with him said: **“We are a nation whom Allaah honoured by the virtue of Islaam, and whenever we seek might through other means, Allaah will humiliate us.” **
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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
One example of honour and might which Islamic history testifies to; it is the stance of Rib’i Ibn ‘Aamir, .... with Persian leader Rostom.
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You must be talking about Rustame-Zaman Gamma Pehlwan ;)
The situation on the ground was quite different during Iranian conquests. Wars with Iran were so bloody and miserable that Hazrat Umar was quoted saying "I wish there was a river of fire between us and Faris"
Iranian civilization was so stubborn that even in defeat it pulsated and shook the Araab civilization. Hazrat Umar's murder was indirectly related to Iran. Iranian influence led to deep fishers between Ali (RAH) and Aiysha (RAH), then on to Muavia and Ali's (RAH) family, and finally ending with new Maslak "Shiane Ali".
Oh and before I forget, Usman (RAH) was murdered while Ali's (RAH) sons stood guard at his house. Conspiracy? May be!
MAToo followers want to live in a la la land. That's fine. But don't tell us the bed time stories of milk and honey. A reference to this nursery rhyme is missing. I am assuming that someone like Nasim Hijazi could have put this shebang together. Remember NH was a fiction writer and not a historian.
At least read MAToo Mododdi’s good source on Khalifas, especially his book on Usman (RAH)
‘Umar Ibn Al-Khattaab, may Allaah be pleased with him said: *"We are a nation whom Allaah honoured by the virtue of Islaam, and whenever we seek might through other means, Allaah will humiliate us." *
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Definetly agree with this quote.
Some muslims seek to implement kufr systems such as secualrism and democracy and this has happened in places like pakistan, turkey, algeria, egypt etc. In turkey and algeria for example the muslims win 90% and still they get kicked out of power. And you can see just as the blessed sahabah umar(ra) said if muslims seek any other system other than islam there will be nothing but humiliation and this is what happening to the muslim countires who seeking kufr laws nothing but humiliation!
ak-47 according to you more democratic a country is more unislamic?
now which country you think is most islamic now please come up with a name of a country.
Come out of the past, and old stories please,, it is harming muslims a lot, at least at present. Learn to live in present, face the present as a mulim, do justice, have patience ,have tolerance, avoid khunahe kaberas( unforgiveable sins), such as killing others.
If others are killing muslims they are mushraheens, do not forget you are muslims, you can not copy them; you should not follow the foot steps of mushrakeen.
Pedaram sultan boud would not work .It never worked.
Keep up your head up with islamic character in you please.
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*Originally posted by sokoon: *
Dear Readers,
Assalam ale kum,
Come out of the past, and old stories please,, it is harming muslims a lot, at least at present. Learn to live in present, face the present as a mulim, do justice, have patience ,have tolerance, avoid khunahe kaberas( unforgiveable sins), such as killing others.
If others are killing muslims they are mushraheens, do not forget you are muslims, you can not copy them; you should not follow the foot steps of mushrakeen.
Pedaram sultan boud would not work .It never worked.
Keep up your head up with islamic character in you please.
Bye sokoon
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So Quran is also an old story for you? It talks about past also.
I only said about old stories you have written in this thread.
How can you think That I would speak against Quran at all.
Patience, tolerance, etc not indulging in gonnahe kaberas (unforgiveable sins) such as killing some one for fun as people are doing now a days; all these thing, what I have written in my thread are from Quran.
No one would be able to bring any change in Quran (GOD"S promise for his kalam), I believe it from my inner core of heart.
But other stories-----???? and their interpretatons have become incompatable to todays environment of the world.
You would say the same, it is the matter of time. More you study with open brain and with logic without putting baricades of old saying and stopping discussion, as blind faith on human beings just like us.
(who wrote those books many times in 1500 years. Without knowing the writters; I mean those who prove read the books, who print those books,who edit those books during christians and jews rules also, would not change any part of ahadeez, are they not muslims enemies. Do you have so much faith and friendship with mushrakeens)
Please try to follow what I say? I say the publishers , the prove readers etc were not always muslims, so those stories loose their authenticity.
Do you justify gunnahe kaberas as religious obligation of muslims to perform?
What is so incompatible about that story? It is full of wisdom. See the difference...do we hve the guts today to tell humanity that you are fooling yourselves by worshipping the creations of the Creator? That shows how weak we have become that we do not even have the power to tell somebody in the face about the true and the only Creator.
Who is denying that Islam does not talk about peace , justice, prosperity. Islam means peace but that peace comes when Islam comes.
You must be talking about Rustame-Zaman Gamma Pehlwan ;)
The situation on the ground was quite different during Iranian conquests. Wars with Iran were so bloody and miserable that Hazrat Umar was quoted saying "I wish there was a river of fire between us and Faris"
Iranian civilization was so stubborn that even in defeat it pulsated and shook the Araab civilization. Hazrat Umar's murder was indirectly related to Iran. Iranian influence led to deep fishers between Ali (RAH) and Aiysha (RAH), then on to Muavia and Ali's (RAH) family, and finally ending with new Maslak "Shiane Ali".
Oh and before I forget, Usman (RAH) was murdered while Ali's (RAH) sons stood guard at his house. Conspiracy? May be!
MAToo followers want to live in a la la land. That's fine. But don't tell us the bed time stories of milk and honey. A reference to this nursery rhyme is missing. I am assuming that someone like Nasim Hijazi could have put this shebang together. Remember NH was a fiction writer and not a historian.
At least read MAToo Mododdi’s good source on Khalifas, especially his book on Usman (RAH)
Khuda Hafiz.
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Bro Islamabad: Sectarianism in this thread! please control.
