I am just wondering if the elected national assembly members are any different from the ones that were there when there was no condition of degree level qualification.
Did that condition make any difference? Unfortunately, I see the same old faces in the National Assembly so I don’t think so.
I think it was merely used to eliminate some opposition to the government from the national assembly. It is another debate if Benazir is good or bad to Pakistan but I think that was the only outcome of that condition.
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I mean why we bothered with the exercise if the same people were going to be elected even after that degree condition.
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To answer your question.... honestly, I don't think it has. We are seeing the same old faces. In some cases where the father was un-parh and jaahil, and couldn't run himself, his son stepped in.
Though I say its a step in right direction. We need MNAs who can actually figure out what kinda laws they are approving. Or atleast can read it.
However, in my view the problem is lack of sincere, patriotic leaders, who can rise above their personal petty self-interests and think for the larger good of the nation. We need leaders who abhor corruption and will stand out for what is right. I think in that count this group of MNAs is the worst since 1988.
It's sad isn't it...Musharraf was talking about new and clean faces for the last 3 years, and he ends up supporting the same old faces.
Imagine most of our Federal Ministers are on the exit control list, and some are banned from their own ministies!
If Sindh is not given to the PPP, I expect another huge cabinet at the provincial level.
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I think they should have at least some 6 months to be on the job before we can judge them what quality of people they are. :)
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For first-time MNA's yes.
For old-times, unfortunately, we know them too well. And the way the government is formed, the size and the composition of the cabinet, and the new speculations about a gigantic cabinet... none of them bode well.
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However, in my view the problem is lack of sincere, patriotic leaders, who can rise above their personal petty self-interests and think for the larger good of the nation. We need leaders who abhor corruption and will stand out for what is right. I think in that count this group of MNAs is the worst since 1988.
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This group of MNAs isn't the worst since 1988. At worst you can say it is the same as the ones since 1988. Or else show me who met the criteria of "sincere, patriotic leaders, who can rise above their personal petty self-interests and think for the larger good of the nation" from those assemblies.
I think overall this parliament is a bit better than previous ones but that maynot have a big effect on the country as I think it's the government side that matters more, and that doesn't look too good to me.
When one party wins a comfortable majority in the Parliament, it inherently prevents a lot of political bribery and black-mailing.
This one is unique in that since 1988, this is the first time, that we essentially have a minority government with so many diverse coalition partners. The first batch of cabinet (e.g. 6 out of 8 PPPPP were made ministers including Min. of Int) is a clear indication of what is to come.
This makes it right among the worst ones in the last 14 years in terms of political blackmail. Probably rising to the level of the famour no-confidence vote against BB, but then again, here it has started from Day #1.
Corruption is done primarily by those in power (i.e. treasury benches and government). Those in opposition, might as well die, and no one will care. :)
So what you are saying is that government is worst , that is exactly what I said. But if you notice this thread is not about governments or level of corruption but about Parliament and it's level of intelligence and/or usefulness. In that respect it's not the worst parliament but rather a slightly better one. Though that maynot be due to the graduate condition is entirely another matter.
The way I see it... the pariliament is supposed to keep a watchful eye on the government. More like a watch-dog. Plus they are supposed to legislate.
Now, if the most of the treasury bench is sitting in the cabinet, u can't expect too much of a watchful eye, and they will be trying to make their own pockets grow. The opposition can rant and rave all they want, but at the end of the day, it will be reduced to who has the resources to buy the concience of a few borderline members. Opposition almost is never able to match the muscle of treasury in such matters.
Re: legislation... yeah, thats routinely produced by the clerks in Ministry of Law, so it will be straight forward. Plus the weak nature of government will not allow them to go for any bold legislations, anyway. So it promises to be staid.
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what does that mean?
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You got to have corrupt people in the cabinet. You'll be dead by now if you prefer sincere and honest people. As Ahmed said to some extent, this new Parliament is somewhat better than we had in the previous Govts.
I don't prefer to see Sherpoa, Faisal Saleh, Ch. Shuajat thugs in the Govt. but the reality is Pakistan has been stuck with Colonial and Landlord system; and we have to live with that.
You got to have corrupt people in the cabinet. You'll be dead by now if you prefer sincere and honest people. As Ahmed said to some extent, this new Parliament is somewhat better than we had in the previous Govts.
I don't prefer to see Sherpoa, Faisal Saleh, Ch. Shuajat thugs in the Govt. but the reality is Pakistan has been stuck with Colonial and Landlord system; and we have to live with that.
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what a load of bollox. i don't have to live with that and these sort of logics are given by people like u who have corrupt mind and relatives in the government.
if u don't like Ch. Shujaat then how can u justify the premier government which is in fact run by him.
what a load of bollox. i don't have to live with that and these sort of logics are given by people like u who have corrupt mind and relatives in the government.
if u don't like Ch. Shujaat then how can u justify the premier government which is in fact run by him.
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what a load of bollox. i don't have to live with that and these sort of logics are given by people like u who have corrupt mind and relatives in the government.
if u don't like Ch. Shujaat then how can u justify the premier government which is in fact run by him.
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Aray Khan Sahib, I don't have a corrupt mind. Dude, if Musharraf tries to clean up thugs, he will end up dead, though, he had cleaned up little bit mess.
