Did Musharraf know about OBL hideout...

The person alleging is Ziauddin Khawaja (keeping in view he has a personal score to settle with Musharraf), but we need to keep in mind Musharraf was DG MO before becoming COAS, hence he was involved in creating the taleban (in BB’s time) and then started a war against them.http://news.yahoo.com/did-musharraf-know-osama-hideout-094500449.html

Did Musharraf Know Osama’s Hideout?By Bruce Riedel | The Daily Beast – 6 hrs ago

Ever since the Navy SEALS found Osama bin Laden hiding in Abbottabad, Pakistan, less than a mile from the country’s national military academy, the question haunting American relations with Pakistan has been, who knew he was there? How did the most wanted man in human history find a hideout in one of Pakistan’s most exclusive military cantonment cities and live there for five years without the Pakistani spy service finding him? Or did they know all along?

Now there is an explosive new charge. The former head of the Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI) says former president Pervez Musharraf knew bin Laden was in Abbottabad. General Ziauddin Khawaja, also known as Ziauddin Butt, was head of ISI from 1997 to 1999. A four star general, he fought in the 1965 and 1971 wars with India. He was the first head of the army’s Strategic Plans Division which controls the country’s nuclear weapons. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif made him director general of ISI in 1997 and promoted him to chief of army staff on October 12, 1999 when he fired Musharraf from the job. Musharraf refused to go and launched a coup that overthrew Sharif. Ziauddin spent the next two years in solitary confinement, was discharged from the army, had his property confiscated and his retirement benefits curtailed. So he has a motive to speak harshly about Musharraf.

So bearing that in mind, here is what the former spy chief claims. Ziauddin says that the safehouse in Abbottabad was made to order for bin Laden by another Pakistani intelligence officer, Brigadier General Ijaz Shah, who was the ISI bureau head in Lahore, Pakistan when Musharraf staged his coup. Musharraf later made him head of the intelligence bureau, the ISI’s rival intelligence in Pakistan’s spy versus spy wars. Ziauddin says Ijaz Shah was responsible for setting up bin Laden in Abbottabad, ensuring his safety and keeping him hidden from the outside. And Ziauddin says Musharraf knew all about it.

Ijaz Shah is a colorful character. He has been closely linked to Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, a British born Kashmiri terrorist who was imprisoned in India in 1994 for kidnapping three British citizens and an American. Saeed was freed when Pakistani terrorists hijacked an Indian airliner to Kandahar, Afghanistan in December 2000, a plot masterminded by bin Laden and assisted by the ISI and the Afghan Taliban. Saeed was part of the plot two years later to kidnap Daniel Pearl and turned himself in to Brigadier Shah. Musharraf nominated Shah to be ambassador to Australia, but Canberra said no thanks. So he got the intelligence bureau job.

Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto accused Shah of being behind the attempt to murder her when she returned from exile in late 2007. She was of course killed in another attempt later that year. Shah fled to Australia for a time while the situation cooled off.

Without a doubt, Ziauddin has an axe to grind. But he is also well tied in to the Pakistani intelligence world. When he was DG/ISI, he set up a special commando team to find and capture bin Laden with U.S. help. Elite commandoes from Special Services Group, Pakistan’s SEALs, were put on the hunt. Musharraf disbanded the group after he took power. Ziauddin’s successor at the ISI, General Mahmud Ahmad, refused American requests to go after bin Laden right up to 9/11. Then Musharraf had to fire him because even after 9/11, he did not want to do anything to bring bin Laden to justice.

We don’t know who was helping hide bin Laden but we need to track them down. If Mush, as many call him in Pakistan, knew, then he should be questioned by the authorities the next time he sets foot in America. The explosive story about him, which was first reported in the must read Militant Leadership Monitor, is more than an academic issue. If we can find who hid bin Laden, we will probably know who is hiding his successor, Ayman Zawahiri, and the rest of the al Qaeda gang.

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Kisko Gillani ko :@:

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Aah bloody civilians ,

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even if we ignore the big IF on his story, Musharraf could not hide OBL alone or with couple of Brigs. If it was done, I am sure all of the top bras would have known it (perhaps institutional policy)

I don't believe on people who 'speak truth' due to their 'aawz of zameer' after fact.

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Now there is an explosive new charge. The former head of the Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI) says former president Pervez Musharraf knew bin Laden was in Abbottabad. General Ziauddin Khawaja, also known as Ziauddin Butt, was head of ISI from 1997 to 1999. A four star general, he fought in the 1965 and 1971 wars with India. He was the first head of the army’s Strategic Plans Division which controls the country’s nuclear weapons. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif made him director general of ISI in 1997 and promoted him to chief of army staff on October 12, 1999 when he fired Musharraf from the job. Musharraf refused to go and launched a coup that overthrew Sharif.** Ziauddin spent the next two years in solitary confinement, was discharged from the army, had his property confiscated and his retirement benefits curtailed. So he has a motive to speak harshly about Musharraf**.
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First of all, when an enemy of a person accuses the person, it sounds more like a biased. Ziauddin did not speak when OBL was alive, but now he somehow got this revelation that Musharraf knew about it. First and foremost, Zia should be charged for hiding such important info.

2nd, Musharraf would never hid OBL. Finding OBL would be an Ace card for him. He would've never missed that opportunity.

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Agreed :k: … musharraf does not seem to be knowing about OBL or he would have cashed in on this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

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NO.... Reason... there was no OBL there to begin with... But wait, they dumped his body in deep water... LOL .. so yeah Mush must have known... :)

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I highly disagree.

It was the Bin Laden threat/war of terror that kept the American's supporting Mush, and the billions flowing in.

Without this threat there would have been no need for the US to support Mush.

Don't forget how Mush suddenly captured a high level 'terrorist' every few months, whenever the US got angry.

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Ziauddin had three years (musharraf was gone in 2008), so what stopped him from sharing such 'vital information' with the authorities?

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Of course he did. We also know where area 51 is and understand the complete plot of Lost :rolleyes:

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and we wake up or his zameer kind of thing woke up after this many years... yeah i believe him just like my son believe that all the bed time stories i tell him are true and cars, tractors etc can actually talk...

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you mean "Kill The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs" ????

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i hope you can understand how serious and dangerous it would have been to disclose any information about o.b.laden and his host i.s.i. nobody would have believed him , as a result of breach of oath and trust of army and i.s.i. the guy was sure to have ended his life and body dumped in the canal of mandi bahauddin like salim shahjad or like two of the four brothers whose body was dumped on the road by i.s.i. the case is under progress in the supreme court . sabko apni jaan pyari hai. who was there to believe him? in the country of conspiracies and denials.

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^^^ That is not the point. Mushy wasn't there for last 3 years (2008 to 2011). He is arguing that Mush was hiding him from London?

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he is saying musharraf was in knowledge of presence of o.b.l. in pakistan , the arrangements were done by ijaz shah who is known for his clandestine affairs with terrorists and i.s.i. sponsored highjacking of air india plane from nepal.the same ijaz shah who is accused of mastermind for benazir's assasination .

as for period of 2008-2011 is concerned who was going to believe a disgraced general reduced to the status of traitor and jailed with other insults thrown upon him by his organisation which is all powerful even today ,

even to day president and prime minister are afraid of i.s.i. and army that they expected a coup after the abbotabad bad incident .

since o.b.l. was so much important for i.s.i. that they would have not let any stone unturned to discredit anybody who said if o.b.l. is in pakistan. no body can withstand twice the treatment as was given to mr butt ex d.g. of i.s.i.

so lack of proof and lack of courage was the main factor which forced him to keep quite.
even today half of pakistan believes there was no o.b.l. in abbotabad how they would have reacted in absence of any drama or incident if butt had given an statement like he is giving now ?

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http://mlm.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=38948&tx_ttnews[backPid]=539&cHash=5e137e8cb2adee229fb8fcb84e7454ee

A Snapshot of Brigadier Ijaz Shah: Bin Laden’s ISI Handler

Publication: Volume: 3 Issue: 1
January 31, 2012 01:57 PM Age: 14 days
By: Arif Jamal

*Made available publicly for a limited time. For full access to Militant Leadership Monitor - http://mlm.jamestown.org/about-mlm/**Brigadier Ijaz Shah (Retd.), one of Pakistan’s most notorious spies, may not be a militant or terrorist in a practical sense of the word, but he is alleged to have been linked with some of the most high profile terrorists and the terrorist acts in the region. The latest allegation came from Pakistan’s former Army Chief General Ziaud Din Butt aka General Ziaud Din Khawaja who revealed at a conference on Pakistani-U.S. relations in October 2011 that the then Director of the Intelligence Bureau (IB), Brigadier Ijaz Shah (Retd.), had kept Osama bin Laden in an IB safe house in Abbottabad [1]. In a subsequent, revealing interview with TV channel Dawn News, General Butt repeated the allegation, saying he fully believed that “[Brigadier] Ijaz Shah had kept this man [Bin Laden in the Abbottabad compound] and with the full knowledge of President Pervez Musharraf [2].”
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Brigadier Ijaz Shah was born in Gujranwala in central Pakistani Punjabi in late 1940s. He was commissioned in the 23[SUP]rd[/SUP] Infantry Punjab Regiment of the Pakistan army in 1966 [3]. Brigadier Ijaz Shah (Retd.) was head of the ISI bureau in Lahore when General Musharraf dismissed Prime Minister Sharif in October 1999 [4]. As an ISI officer, he was handling some of the leading jihadists. He was also reportedly the ISI handler of Osama bin Laden [5]. After his retirement from the army around August 2000, General Musharraf appointed him Home Secretary in Punjab.

In 2004, General Musharraf nominated him as Pakistan’s ambassador to Australia. However, Australia refused to accept him, apparently because of his link to terrorists [6]. Musharraf appointed him Director of the Intelligence Bureau in February 2004 (Daily Times [Lahore] Feb 26, 2004).

**Handler of Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh **Brigadier Shah came into international limelight in February 2002 when it was discovered that Omar Saeed Sheikh had surrendered himself to Brigadier Shah, who was working as home Secretary in Punjab at that time, a week or so before he was handed over to the police [7]. Omar Saeed Sheikh, the British-born militant of Harakatul Mujahideen, had kidnapped the Wall Street Journalist Daniel Pearl and handed him over to other Harakatul Mujahideen militants who beheaded him.

It is not clear when exactly Omar Saeed Sheikh became an ISI operative. Punjab police at that time thought Brigadier Shah had hid Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh from police to give ample time to the killers of WSJ journalist Daniel Pearl to finish the job [8]. The Daniel Pearl case is not the only instance in which ties between Brigadier Shah and Omar Saeed Sheikh were discovered. In October 1994, the Indian police arrested Omar Saeed Sheikh for kidnapping three Britons and one Americans. When Omar Saeed Sheikh hired the services of an attorney, Brigadier Shah sent the attorney fees and other expenses through the mujahideen channels [9].

Friendship with General Pervez Musharraf Brigadier Shah was and remains very close to General Pervez Musharraf. He was known to be his trustworthy lieutenant. Their friendship was the central theme of gossip in Pakistan while General Musharraf was ruling the country. Brigadier Shah was also one of the two close friends of General Musharraf who were particularly hated by his wife, Mrs. Sehba Musharraf. The opposition from Mrs. Sehba Musharraf was one reason why General Musharraf did not give him a position in Islamabad in 2000. Pressure from Mrs. Sehba was also the cause for General Musharraf’s 2004 designation of him as Pakistan’s High Commissioner to Australia. Mrs. Sehba Musharraf wanted to see him out of the country.

A personal and close friendship with General Musharraf and the offices he held turned Brigadier Ijaz Shah into a very strong man who can have his way most of the time, a fact echoed in General Butt’s interview: “Ijaz Shah was an all-powerful official in the government of General Musharraf [10].” As an ISI officer, Home Secretary of Punjab and Director of the Intelligence Bureau, Brigadier Shah helped General Musharraf suppressed any dissent and opposition. Under general Musharraf, he personally intervened to gag the press. Those interventions included personal threats to journalists of dire consequences for writing critically about the Musharraf regime [11]. Brigadier Ijaz advised Musharraf to adopt the “kidnap, torture to death, and dump” policy to suppress dissent [12].

**Assassination of Benazir Bhutto ****Before and after coming back to Pakistan from exile in late 2007, late Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto had accused Brigadier Ijaz Shah, among others, of hatching a conspiracy to assassinate her [13]. There was considerable pressure on the government to arrest and investigate Brigadier Shah in her assassination but the General Musharraf regime refused to take any action against him. Fearing arrest after the 2008 general elections, Brigadier Shah left Pakistan and settled in Australia for a prolonged period of time. **After spending several months, Brigadier Shah came back to Pakistan silently. There are petitions in the courts of law to have him arrested (Dawn [Karachi] July 26, 2011), but the civilian government is unable to arrest or proceed against him because he enjoys army protection [14].
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Arif Jamal is an independent security and terrorism expert and author of “Shadow War – The Untold Story of Jihad in Kashmir.”*Notes:1. Altaf Hassan Qureshi, “Resetting Pak-US relations” in Urdu in Jang [Rawalpindi], December 8, 2011. http://e.jang.com.pk/pic.asp?npic=12-08-2011/Pindi/images/06_08.gif.2. Government – Army - America on Dawn News – 11the Dec 2011 p2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4bYHC2_ito&feature=youtu.be3. Author interview with military officers in May 2002.4. Field work research in Pakistan in 1999..5. Author interview with an intelligence officer, Lahore, April 2002.6. Time to arrest General (R) Hamid Gul, Brigadier (R) Ijaz Shah… Available athttp://criticalppp.com/archives/2627. Syed Yahya, “Who killed Pearl?” in Newsline [Pakistan], March 2002.8. Author interview with a police officer, Lahore, November 2002.9. Author interview with a mujahid, Kotli, May 2003.10. Government – Army - America on Dawn News – 11the Dec 2011 p2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4bYHC2_ito&feature=youtu.be11. Author interviews with several journalists between 2002 and 2007.12. Author interview with a senior government officer, July 2007, Islamabad.13. Khaled Ahmed, “Who killed Benazir?” in Friday Times, Feb 18-24 2011.http://www.thefridaytimes.com/18022011/page29.shtml.14. Author interview with a government official, December 2011.

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so why you think ISI can't do this anymore to him now?

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So i call musharaf ...he was bussy fixing his tabla...and asked him the same question... his reply was" Tum sab ko pata hai main kitna kameena aur bhooka houn, agar yeh baat pata hooti tau yeh blank cheq cash na karwa laita"
chacha sadeeq from androon lahore agrees and questions the reliability of source.

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chad lawara sayasat da khaira
dhoti da tayan kariye

waisy dhoti yaar, bari pohanch hai chacha sadeeq tak androon-e-lahor pohanch gai.