Akif said in an earlier post:
“Allah SWT himself has said that Prophet SAW has done nothing other than what Allah has taught him.”
Actually this is not true. Here are two instances where Muhammed did something which God did not approve of and had to be corrected by God.
God scolds Muhammed for “concealing in his soul what Allah wants” and instead doing what he himself wanted:
33:37, SHAKIR:
And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor: Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah’s command shall be performed.
God scolds Muhammed for ignoring a blind man coming to him for help.
80.1 Yusufali: (The Prophet) frowned and turned away, Because there came to him the blind man (interrupting). But what could tell thee but that perchance he might grow (in spiritual understanding)?- Or that he might receive admonition, and the teaching might profit him? As to one who regards Himself as self-sufficient, To him dost thou attend; Though it is no blame to thee if he grow not (in spiritual understanding). But as to him who came to thee striving earnestly, And with fear (in his heart), Of him wast thou unmindful. By no means (should it be so)! For it is indeed a Message of instruction: Therefore let whoso will, keep it in remembrance.
The Quran (not the Hadith) is the only guarenteed, safe source of written guidance, because it comes directly from God.
Zara
[This message has been edited by zaraatif (edited September 16, 1999).]
If the purpose of this post is to show weakness of character in prophet Mohammad salalaho alaihe wasalam, then why would you believe in him with regards to the Quran? If he was liable to make mistakes then who can say that he did not make any mistakes in delivering the message? If to that you say that Allah has promised the protection of Quran, then how do you know that it was correctly delivered to you by Mohammad salalaho alaihe wasalam. If he was liable to err, then he could have easily delivered the message of the Quran in a wrong format. Even the information that Quran is perfect and not liable to contain anything false in it comes through Mohammad salalaho alaihe wasalam. And if it is assumed that he is not a reliable transmitter then who can ascertain the authenticity of the Quranic message? And if you say that he was reliable in terms of transmitting the Quran only and besides that he wasn't, my question is how did you arrive at this conclusion? Is it just your logical deduction or do you have a proof of that? If you don't have proof for that then you being human and thus liable to err can make an error in judgement and can't be trustworthy. If you do have a proof then lets all hear it. Enough said.
The Prophet SAW made mistakes? then why will he be the first one to enter Jannat? Well..Prophet SAW was not an angel..thats a given. The second kalima says it all. He was a human being and Allah's SWT creature. About what you believe are instances where Allah SWT 'scolds' Prophet SAW, u really have to draw the line here. There are more than just these two instances where Allah SWT has told Prophet SAW to start doing something differently than how he was doing it. That does not constitute scolding, and does not constitute in Allah 'correcting' Prophet SAW. The reason Allah SWT asked Prophet SAW to change his ways was only to avoid giving a wrong impression to his ummat. As it stands, we, the ummah, still manage to draw incorrect impressions from a lot of things Prophet SAW did. Remember when Prophets SAW uncle Abu talib was on his death bed...and Prophet SAW was asking him to say the kalima and embrace Islam, to which Abu talib refused. Prophet SAW told him to recite the kalima, and he SAW would pray to Allah SWT right then and ask for forgiveness for his uncle. This is a perfectly normal action..for anyone to ask for Prophets SAW shifaat. But Allah SWT sent down a revelation at that very moment, telling Prophet SAW not to ask for forgiveness for his uncle, and that Allah SWT is the only one who will make those decisions. Now a skeptic would certainly make this out to be another 'scolding' of Prophet SAW by Allah SWT, whereas the reason Allah SWT said this was only to keep the ummah from resorting to such actions afterwards, where they would go to pirs and faqeers, and get them to make dua for them...which we do anyway. The point is, just look into the background, foreground and circumstances of a Quranic revelation and a hadees or sunnat. Do not draw conclusions based on one sentence. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Every time i visit religion forum i have this strong feeling that now it is becoming more a fashion to critisize islam and The Prophet (PBUH). I dont know how many of you agree with it but thats truly what i felt
Tell me this, was the prophet just a normal man like everyone else of was he special, ie different from others. Here's a contradiction, the Quran says that he was a normal man like everyone else, the Quran (according to many many supposed Aalims) also says that the prophet did NOT have a shadow. How can an ordinary man not have a shadow?
Aahmed, you know why the prophet Mohammed (saw) was not like ordinairy men? Because unlike the vast majority of people he did not sell his soul to the highest bidder. He took his knocks instead.
Zara jee please hurry up, you are leading the people wrong way...did you find these hadiths on the net..if so..where did you find them i need the URL please...i need the web site!!!
I am not criticising Islam or the Prophet. Just because I am saying something that goes against what the majority believe does not mean I am wrong. Has God ever said that if the majority thinks something, they must be right? I think he often says the opposite, and says that the holy books have been diluted by traditions and add-ons.
I am trying to say that the Quran should be the only source of law. The Quran supports my opinion, and that is hard for people to accept:
[6.114] Shall I then seek a judge other than Allah? And He it is Who has revealed to you the Book (which is) made plain; and those whom We have given the Book know that it is revealed by your Lord with truth, therefore you should not be of the disputers.
Zara
[This message has been edited by zaraatif (edited September 18, 1999).]
Akif - You made some really good points there . I don't think we should be talking about whether our prophet(pbuh) made mistakes or not. A better question would be:
Was everything the prophet (pbuh) ever uttered a divine revelation from God or is it only the Quran which is? The answer to this will probably make clear a lot of the issues.
But please lets not make this into pro hadith vs anto hadith discussion. Lets just keep an eye on the dicussion and use our aql. We all love our prophet (pbuh) dearly and we have a duty to him and Allah to follow the TRUTH. Do you know the truth, are you so certain that you know everything that there is to know about Islam? Lets discuss with an opne mind and heart.
"Was everything the prophet (pbuh) ever uttered a divine revelation from God or is it
only the Quran which is? The answer to this will probably make clear a lot of the issues."
I agree to Camille, his question is more appropriate. As far as my own reasoning is concerned, I don't believe in the fact that Islam which is a Perfect religion would be provided to us from an imperfect personality.
In other words, I do not believe in Prophet Mohammad having any fallibility in his personality.
Simple...follow good and reject bad...whatever...you should be consdering the GOOD thngs and not the mistakes...Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)was also a Human...but of a different KIND...and please stop interfering with things which have no great value in Islamic views...you should firstly become a real/proper (islamic)person yourself...the factor is common in every being....£every HUMAN MAKES MISTAKES!" and Our prophet was also human!
AND also what are you trying to prove from this point of view....please make it clear...maybe it will be easier for me!
Z. Khan
Zara Khan...For someone who was already assured entry into jannat while he was alive, do u seriously think the Prophet made mistakes in his life? He was a human being alright..but one who had direct contact with Allah SWT. And you can compare him with us humans only if you can show me one of us who has direct contact with Allah SWT. Allah SWT taught every thing Muhammad SAW knew..and for u to say that Muhammad SAW made mistakes would imply that Allah SWT taught him wrong(naoozu billah). Allah SWT chose a human being so that there would be someone whom we humans could interact with and learn the teachings of Allah SWT from. Now if we sit here trying to figure out which Prophetic advice we should take and which we should reject, all based on personal likes and dislikes, we wont be following Islam, would we?
I think what she is failing to realize is that you can't use the same yard stick to measure everyone. Clearly, Prophet Mohammad wasn't fallible. If you all believe in Quran, go and read "Ayat-e-Tatheer" where Allah himself has promised to keep Prophet out of any sin.
Secondly, simple logic demands that a person shouldn't be hypocrate... meaning saying/preaching one thing and doing the other. In other words, we can't say that Prophet Mohammad taught us to follow a model Islamic (perfect) life, yet he failed to follow what he preached.....
Imranz - I agree with you, I don't think at all that our prophet (pbuh) actually sinned and he was a perfect example of a muslim. What Zara has higlighted earlier on were not really sinful things as such, they merely reflect that the prophet(pbuh) was human and needed Allah to guide him like we all do. The question I'm trying get answered is that is hadith on a par with the Quran to determine Islamic law? Or all laws outlined in the Quran? We have so many books of hadith and many say that we are unable to understand the Quran without reading these books as well. Could this be the case for Allahs book?
Camille asks........>>The question I'm trying get answered is that is hadith on a par with the Quran to determine Islamic law? Or all laws outlined in the Quran? We have so many books of hadith and many say that we are unable to understand the Quran without reading these books as well. Could this be the case for Allahs book?<<
Islamic law has four source. First is Qura~n, which is the principal source. Next is Sunna, and this is used for the interpretation of Qura~n. Qura~n was revealed to Prophet Mohammad, swaw, so it is logical that he alone is the best person to explain its meanings. And I think same is true for all the revealed books prior to Qura~n. Third is Al-Ijma, meaning the consensus of opinion of judges and jurisconsults. And the last is al-Ijtihad.
Are these other books divenely protected and we can be sure that they contain the law of Allah? Is it mentioned in the Quran that we should follow other sources or that there would be 4 sources?
I'm getting confused here.
Again if someone could address the issues/questions outlined in the other thread we may make some progress in our understanding. - I'm referring to the article by K.Ahmed which I pasted on the questionable hadith thread.