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Originally posted by rvikz:
china and india is too big to conquer
japan was an island all three countries
have their own strong clutural and
religious identity. even pakistan's identity
still closer to india than to iran or arab.
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First of all rvikz, why are your posts always broken down into such short lines. You need not hit "enter" after every line.
Sorry for my typo about your username. Really very sorry!
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Originally posted by rvikz:
china and india is too big to conquer
japan was an island all three countries
have their own strong clutural and
religious identity. even pakistan's identity
still closer to india than to iran or arab.
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Identities are similar primarily becasue of lingual connections, that is mughal Urdu culture being dominant among the elites of both countries and the fact the both were the dominions of British colonial masters.
Thus, spake the Sword...
pakistanis were called indians before partition . i dont know what india's
name duringg mughal rule. pakistan were never
part of iran.
[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited April 18, 2002).]
Pakistanis were called indians by the british since that was the nationality chosen by the british for them. During the mughal rule another generalized term was used hindustanis.
It might come as a surprise to you, but only 3 dynasties have come out of Persia. Those of the achaeminean persians, the parthians and then the sassanian persians. Of these 3 Pakistan was completely part of Persia and Parthia and the boudaries were more or less the same as todays indo-pak border. Only during sassanian Persia, did region of Pakistan upto river jehlum was it an independant state. And this is not to include various other periods when Pakistan was part of other dynasties or had dynasties based in her boundaries.
By this logic iranian doodies have more claim to Pakistan.
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which ofcourse wont happen cuz of Pakistani tubthumper phobia.
Thus, spake the Sword…
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Originally posted by sadeyes_neverlie:
**
First of all mind your words, i'm sad eyes and not evil eyes.
Second of all Islam didnt fail anywhere. I have two points in this regard:
1. None of the Islamic rulers or saint ever said anything like " We will convert all the hindus into muslims" so there is no question of failing as they gained a lot and lost nothing.
**
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numbers mean nothing tiny singapore
exports $130 billion worth of goods
compared to india's 60 billion.
pakistan about 10 billion.
[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited April 18, 2002).]
well said tura. For rvkz the persian culture in pak is still there, in Balochistan they speak persian, with balochi, and the population is more close to kurds than to iranians, the makranis are mixed Arab/African descent, also the pashtuns speak an iranian language not an indic branch of Indo European languages. And you might be surprisd that iran does claim to be legitimate keeper of the sistan- baluchistan province due to population and its empire of the Sassanians.
Reza jan, lingual similarities do impact culture but they dont necessarily show connectivity. The hazara in afghnaistan speak Dari but are not of Iranian orgin.
ANd Kurds and their language is also Iranian. Remeber Iranian deosnot mean Persian or even necessarily have to do anything with the country of Iran. Its a classification term such as Indo-european, indo-germanic etc...
Pashtuns and their langauge has indo-aryan. Iranian and tokharian all three elements, but is classifed as Eastern Iranian because of more lexical similarity to persian.
Thus, spake the Sword...
i am talking about geographicaly pakistan
was never been a state within iran.
at least once in history afganistan
pakistan nad north india wass part of kushan
empire. word kandhar use to be called ghandharvas
kandahar is named after the greco bactrian name the greeks gave to that city. Gandhara proper lies in Pakistan alhough it goes in an arc to include kabul all the way to kandahar.
The 3 most important principal city of Gandhara were Peshawar (puruspura), Charsadda(pushklavati), and Taxilla (taksha shilo) and all 3 are in Pakistan.
But its true, that Pakistan didnot comprise part of Persia proper, meaning the persian kings cyrus, xerxes etc... are not our kings, though we can celebrate them since Pakistan was part of their empires. But so is also true of other satraps that the persians conquered, LIKE MESOPOTAMIA, ASIA MINOE ETC...
Similarly, Kushans were our kings since Pakistan WAS kushan proper. Pakistan was also part of the greek empires in 3 phases...that of Alexander, that of seleucus nicator and lastly of GrecoBactrians.
Thus, spake the Sword...
[This message has been edited by Sultan Toora (edited April 18, 2002).]
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Originally posted by rvikz:
first of all there is no war as such between india and islam . india was invaded by so many groups one of them mughals .
mughals never replaced the native population.
even if you put indian muslim in central asia they will feel they are foriegners.
there is big racial difference between
mughals of central asiaa and indian muslims.
even pakistanis found out when they got stuck in afghanistan's northen alliance where
local taliban figghters were let go and pakistanis were treated without kindness.
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The Pashtuns of pakistan who went there dont speak farsi in pakistan and were unfamiliar with the area a well, whereas the pashtuns in Afghanistan speak Farsi, that was the reason why they got stuck, The pashtuns of pak and Afghanistan are no different than eachother.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…
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J/K - Don’t be offended..hehe
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
And that was just pishpash by NA troops, even TIME published photos of what the NA did to native pashtun afghans, and also to chechens, and to uzbek from uzbekistan, and to chinese muslims and to all those who sided with the Mujahideen....etc etc..
Thus, spake the Sword...
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Originally posted by rvikz:
at least once in history afganistan
pakistan nad north india wass part of kushan
empire. word kandhar use to be called ghandharvas
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During mauryan rule Pakistan, almost all of afghanitsn and northern India was also under one rule......the only time a non muslim empire whose capityal was in magadh India.
Thus, spake the Sword...
Criminals of yesteryears now leaders and civilised prospors. right!!!!
so much for the cosmic justice PWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thus, spake the Sword...
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Originally posted by Sultan Toora:
** During mauryan rule Pakistan, almost all of afghanitsn and northern India was also under one rule......the only time a non muslim empire whose capityal was in magadh India.
**
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As far as i knew, only the some part of afghanistan was under hindu rule, ie the Norhern areas as they could not conquer the region due to the tough terrain. Even genghiz khan didnt ocuupy whole of the country.
[This message has been edited by reza khan (edited April 18, 2002).]
mauryans were not hindu, they never called themselves hindu, since there was no such thing as hindu religion in those days, neither did they worship any hindu gods.
Thus, spake the Sword...
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Originally posted by Sultan Toora:
*they never called themselves hindu, since there was no such thing as hindu religion in those days, *
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Yes, they had to wait for the ** Arabic word "Hind" ** before they could go any further.
[This message has been edited by Khoon-e-Shaheed (edited April 19, 2002).]