Did Gen Kiyani ordered killing of Syed Saleem Shahzad?

This is a 10 pages long article, but I’m posting last 3 pages. If true, as its alleged, than what is difference between our army and Taliban or Mafia?

The first order to harm Shahzad was issued shortly after his article on the Mehran attack appeared. The initial directive was not to kill him but to rough him up, possibly in the same way that Cheema had been dealt with. But a senior American official confirms that, at some point before Shahzad was taken away, the directive was changed. He was to be murdered.
Five weeks after the killing, Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said publicly that it had been “sanctioned by the government” of Pakistan. In fact, according to the American official, reliable intelligence indicates that the order to kill Shahzad came from a senior officer on General Kiyani’s staff. The officer made it clear that he was speaking on behalf of Kiyani himself. (General Athar Abbas, the spokesman for the Pakistani Army, called this allegation “preposterous.”)
After the discovery of Shahzad’s body, some of his friends and family members told me they believed that the I.S.I. agents had meant only to beat him, and that things got out of hand. They had reason to think so. A year earlier, during an altercation with a guard outside a social club in Islamabad, Shahzad had been shot. Shahzad’s brother-in-law, Hamza Ameer, told me that the guard had become angry after Shahzad complained about being denied entry, because he had forgotten his membership card. The bullet had penetrated his liver, and it remained lodged near his spine. (According to Ameer, Shahzad eventually pardoned the guard in a Pakistani court, as is allowed under the law, so the guard went free.) Shahzad’s autopsy report says that a ruptured liver is one of the things that killed him.
But Dr. Mohammed Farrukh Kamal, one of the physicians who performed the autopsy, told me that Shahzad had been beaten with a heavy instrument, like a metal rod, and he dismissed the notion that Shahzad had been killed by mistake. “You don’t hit a person that hard by accident,” he told me. “They meant to kill him.”

Shahzad’s journalism may not have been the sole reason that he was targeted. I.S.I. officials may have become convinced that Shahzad was working for a foreign intelligence agency. This could have elevated him in the eyes of the military from a troublesome reporter who deserved a beating to a foreign agent who needed to be killed.
In fact, Shahzad, at the time of his death, was in contact with several foreign intelligence officials. He told me that a Saudi intelligence official was among those who had told him that bin Laden had met with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the mujahideen now considered a terrorist. Shahzad himself, under questioning from the I.S.I., had admitted that another source for that story was General Bismillah Khan—then the Interior Minister of Afghanistan, and a loathed figure in the Pakistani military.
More crucially, it appears that, in the months before Shahzad was killed, some foreign intelligence agencies tried to recruit him. Roger van Zwanenberg, the publisher of Pluto Press, the London imprint that released Shahzad’s book, told me that members of British intelligence had asked Shahzad for help during a short visit that he made to London in March. The intelligence officers wanted Shahzad to help them get in touch with Taliban leaders. “Saleem declined,” van Zwanenberg said. He added that, when Shahzad attended a conference in New Delhi this spring, officers from an Indian intelligence agency offered to put him on a retainer. Several of Shahzad’s colleagues confirmed this.
There is no evidence that Shahzad was working for any foreign intelligence agency, but mere suspicion on this front could have imperilled him. “What is the final thing that earns Shahzad a red card—the final thing that tips him over from being a nuisance to an enemy?” a Western researcher in Islamabad said to me. “If someone concluded that he was a foreign agent, and that the stories he was putting out were part of a deliberate effort to defame the I.S.I. and undermine the I.S.I.’s carefully crafted information strategy—if anyone in the I.S.I. concluded that, then Saleem would be in grave danger.”
On June 3rd, four days after Shahzad was found in the Upper Jhelum Canal, a C.I.A. officer, operating a pilotless drone, fired a missile at a group of men who had gathered in an orchard outside the village of Ghwa Khwa, in South Waziristan. Locals who ran to the scene saw many bodies, but a group of militants who had survived told them to stay back. “Kashmiri Khan! Kashmiri Khan!” one of them yelled. Among the dead was Ilyas Kashmiri—the terrorist whom Shahzad had once proved to be still alive, and who he said was responsible for the attack on the Mehran base

Three days later, Rehman Malik, Pakistan’s Interior Minister, announced that, this time, Kashmiri was definitely dead.

Given the brief time that passed between Shahzad’s death and Kashmiri’s, a question inevitably arose: Did the Americans find Kashmiri on their own? Or did they benefit from information obtained by the I.S.I. during its detention of Shahzad? If so, Shahzad’s death would be not just a terrible example of Pakistani state brutality; it would be a terrible example of the collateral damage sustained in America’s war on terror.

If the C.I.A. killed Kashmiri using information extracted from Shahzad, it would not be the first time that the agency had made use of a brutal interrogation. In 2002, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, an Al Qaeda operative held by the Egyptian government, made statements, under torture, suggesting links between Saddam Hussein and bin Laden; this information was used to help justify the invasion of Iraq.

Kashmiri, who was forty-seven, was a guerrilla fighter who received training from both the Pakistani Army and the I.S.I. According to American officials, he fought in the guerrilla war inside Indian Kashmir, working closely with the I.S.I. According to one frequently heard story, Kashmiri, returning from an operation in India, presented Musharraf—then the chief of the Army staff—with the head of an Indian soldier.

But, as Musharraf began to curtail the activities of militant groups operating in India, Kashmiri moved to the tribal areas and started waging war against the Pakistani state. He brought together the 313 Brigade, an amalgam of Al Qaeda, Taliban, and other fighters. Kashmiri was accused of playing a key role in one of the two unsuccessful plots to assassinate Musharraf in 2003, and he is believed to have helped orchestrate the 2009 attack on the Army’s headquarters. Earlier this year, David Headley, the Pakistani-American who testified in Chicago about the Mumbai attack, named Kashmiri as a key terrorist planner.

On May 27th, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Islamabad, and she presented to Pakistani leaders a list of high-value targets. According to ABC News, Kashmiri was on the list. That morning, Shahzad had published the article naming Kashmiri as the perpetrator of the attack on the Mehran base—broadcasting, once again, his connection to the militant leader.

Bruce Riedel, the former C.I.A. officer, said, “After the Abbottabad raid, the Pakistanis were under enormous pressure to show that they were serious about Al Qaeda.”

Shahzad, at the time of his death, was in contact with several Taliban and Al Qaeda militants. It’s obvious from his book that Kashmiri was one of them. Muhammad Faizan, Shahzad’s colleague, said, “The militants used to call him, not the other way around.”

After Shahzad’s murder, the Pakistani government appointed a commission, led by a justice of the Supreme Court, to investigate. In late July, the justice, Mian Saqib Nisar, summoned a group of Pakistani reporters and editors and briefed them on his progress. Bani Amin Khan, the inspector general of the Islamabad police, also appeared at the meeting, with some of his investigators. According to reporters who attended the briefing, one of the investigators said that he had seen something unusual in Shahzad’s cell-phone records: more than two hundred and fifty-eight calls to and from a single number during a one-month period.

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Imtiaz Alam, the secretary-general of the South Asian Free Media Association, told me that after the briefing he approached Khan and pressed him for details. Khan’s answer, according to Alam: “The calls were with Ilyas Kashmiri.” When I asked Khan about Shahzad’s case, he threw me out of his office.

The evidence is fragmentary, but it is not difficult to imagine a scenario in which Pakistani intelligence agents gave the C.I.A. at least some of the information that pinpointed Kashmiri. Likewise, it seems possible that at least some of that information may have come from Shahzad, either during his lethal interrogation or from data taken from his cell phone. In the past, the I.S.I. and the C.I.A. have coöperated extensively on the U.S. drone program.

This relationship has been strained since the bin Laden killing. For the moment, much of the drone program, once based in Pakistan, appears to be frozen. According to the senior American military officer, the drones are no longer flying out of Shamsi Air Base, in Pakistan, but from Afghanistan, and the intelligence used to target militants is now being collected almost entirely by American networks. Most of the drone strikes are being carried out without prior Pakistani knowledge.

“We want the Pakistanis’ coöperation, but we are prepared to go without it,” the military officer told me. The Americans’ unilateral approach to drone strikes is causing intense tension with Pakistani leaders, and not just because of their claims that the strikes kill many civilians. The drone strikes sometimes reveal that the Americans and the I.S.I. are working against each other.

On March 17th, four missiles fired from a drone hit a group of men who had gathered at a market in the village of Datta Khel, in North Waziristan. As many as forty-four people died. The Pakistani government denounced the strike, claiming that it had killed a number of tribal elders, and demanded an apology.

As with nearly all drone strikes, the precise number and nature of the casualties were impossible to verify. The high-level American official told me that the “tribal elders” were actually insurgent leaders. But he offered another reason that the Pakistani officials were so inflamed: “It turns out there were some I.S.I. guys who were there with the insurgent leaders. We killed them, too.” (The I.S.I. denied that its agents were present.)

What were I.S.I. agents doing at a meeting of insurgent commanders? The American official said that he did not know.
A senior counterterrorism official said that the Kashmiri strike was not connected to Shahzad’s death. At the same time, the official acknowledged that in the past the U.S. had received intelligence from the Pakistanis on Kashmiri, and confirmed that the Pakistanis continue to share information on targets.
Commodore Iqbal, the I.S.I. spokesman, reiterated the agency’s insistence that it had no involvement in Shahzad’s death. But he said that the C.I.A. and the I.S.I. were still coöperating. “We are giving the Americans a lot of intelligence,” Iqbal told me. “We don’t feel like we are getting much in return.” When I asked him if the I.S.I. had coöperated on the strike that killed Kashmiri, he said, “I can’t answer that.”
These days, the high-level American official told me, most drone attacks in Pakistan are “signature strikes,” which are carried out when a group of people match a certain profile—they are operating a training camp, for instance, or consorting with known militants. Such strikes are not directed at specific individuals—like, say, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda’s new leader. Usually, the agency doesn’t know the identities of the people it is firing at. “Most of the high-value targets have been killed this way,” the American official told me.
In the case of Kashmiri, the American official initially told me that he had been killed in a signature strike. “We did the strike, and we found out later that it was him,” the official said. When I pressed him, though, he said, “We sort of thought he would be there.” He declined to elaborate.
Bruce Riedel, the former C.I.A. officer, said that helping the agency kill Kashmiri would have made eminent sense to the I.S.I. Kashmiri had become an enemy of the Pakistani state, and had maintained potentially embarrassing contacts with Pakistani security services.
“If you start from the premise that the Pakistanis had something to do with hiding bin Laden, then you have to assume that they were trying very hard to put everything back into the tube,” Riedel said. “And so it would have made sense for them to get rid of Saleem Shahzad. And Kashmiri, too.”
In Pakistan, reporting on Shahzad’s case ceased, for the most part, after a few weeks. Shahzad’s wife, Anita, recently communicated with me, via e-mail. “I don’t want to rewind to that bitter time,” she said, adding that Shahzad had been “a brave man.” She assured me that “here in Pakistan they are trying their level best to find the culprit.”
In the wake of Shahzad’s death and the Abbottabad raid, the tone of the Pakistani press darkened. Some columnists argued that the Pakistani state was poised to fall to Islamist militants. Ayman al-Zawahiri “is the man waiting to become the caliph of Pakistan,” Khaled Ahmed wrote in the Friday Times, an influential weekly.

This spring, Umar Cheema, still recovering from his ordeal with the I.S.I., was invited to the U.S., where he was honored by Syracuse University for his journalism. Cheema told me that while in America he was offered several fellowships, as well as the prospect of asylum. He decided to come home. “If Pakistan were not in such dark shape, I would leave,” he told me. “But it is my duty to try to make this a better country for the next generation.” He quickly broke a number of important stories, including one charging that Yousaf Raza Gilani, the Prime Minister, and the twenty-five members of his cabinet paid no taxes last year.
Zafar Sheikh, Shahzad’s friend and colleague, took a different path. Years ago, Sheikh said, he regularly accompanied Shahzad on road trips to the tribal areas, and sat in mud huts and interviewed Taliban commanders. He, too, had aspired to write revelatory stories about the inner workings of the I.S.I. But now he has set those ambitions aside.
“I used to be a brave journalist,” Sheikh told me one day as we rode in a car across the Punjabi plains. “But I will be frank with you. I don’t want to get killed like Saleem. I don’t want to suffer like Saleem did. So I’m not part of the war anymore. I am just writing stereotypical bull**** stories—and no one is angry.”
We drove on for a little longer, toward the Upper Jhelum Canal, and, a few minutes later, we found the place where the laborer had discovered Shahzad’s body. The water was streaming into the intake grates.
“I used to look for stories that would open people’s eyes,” Sheikh said. “Now I am just a stupid correspondent doing stupid stories. And I am happy. I am happy.” :diamond_suit:

Re: Did Gen Kiyani ordered killing of Syed Saleem Shahzad?

yawn US officials making claims about the Pakistani military. How is this in anyway reliable. I bet those who believe this article also believe Saddam had WMDs and that Bahrain was not a popular uprising and Qaddafi is a horrible man even though the CIA and MI6 were helping him kill and torture people who are now members of the NTC.

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be 10 page long or 10,000 page, the thing is, if they have evidence then come out with it, otherwise it is just an allegation....which they try to make to anyone who do not bend over for them....

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^^^ Well, its pretty well known who killed him, but the question is who ordered the killing. Was Kiyani himself involved?

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Right and based on what evidence. To date I have not seen any evidence that ties the ISI or the Pak Military to the incident. In all likelihood it was the ISI. However Innocent until PROVEN Guilty. Well as long as its not the ISI or the Pakistan military.

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^^^ its kind funny that you are applying western concept of jurisprudence and the idea that "innocent until proven" guilty when no one ever was held to account for any crimes from ISI or the army in last 65 years. What makes you think that it will happen now? And, who doesn't want to live...to provide evidence, even if such evidence existed, to whom? What pillar of state is strong enough to take on an institution or hold it accountable for any crime, and even they have killed him on camera?

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^^ So based on this, we can conclude that any crime/killing in the country is executed by ISI?

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^^^ no, not necessarily, neither have implied that. The question is of accountability & rule of law. The dead guy doesn't care whether his killers found or he gets justice. Justice's paramount importance is that it provides order in contemporary society & prevents lawlessness.

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Its a basic concept in the West. Yet it only applies in the west as your case in point dictates. For the ISI you don't need any evidence as it applies to your personal opinion which are baseless. The same happened regarding the US military and you would be wondering if they really did and where the evidence is. Its all about mental though processes and biases people have.

The Raymond Davis case is such an example. A good portion of the ABCDs here refused to believe he was a CIA spy, killed innocent Pakistanis even when there was ample proof. But for many they don't need evidence to blame the ISI or the Pak Fauj.

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@Shamraz_Khan , how is this story different from the 9/11 conspiracy theory articles who qoute un-named researchers, high ranking officials and extensive presumptions? If a similar article had appeared in ummat with similar un-named sources you would have laughed at it or may be locked the thread.

BTW you should read thsi article on BBC about US media and Pakistan. These are the words of british journalist.

گرچہ مغربی ذرائع ابلاغ میں پاکستان کے خلاف افسانے شائع اور نشر ہوتے ہیں، تاہم امریکی اور برطانوی میڈیا میں کچھ فرق ہے۔ برطانوی صحافی ڈکلن والش کے مطابق، اس کی بڑی وجہ امریکی حکومت ہے۔ ’اس کی ایک بڑی وجہ یہ ہے، کہ امریکی حکومت کا پاکستان کے معاملات میں بڑا کردار ہے۔ جو کہ برطانوی حکومت کا نہیں ہے۔ تو امریکی میڈیا کی رپورٹنگ میں امریکی اہلکاروں سے سنی سنائی باتوں کا بہت حد تک اثر رہتا ہے۔‘

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^^ there is huge diff between this and 911 conspiracy theory. He told many people about threats he faced from ISI. He was beaten to death in Islamabad, like many other journalist by ISI, not beheaded in Tora Bora by Taliban.

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Any viewpoint except one which supports the ISI and Army is invalid and you are "Wajib-E-Qatal".

Samraz Khan, you are wasting your time here. The army has brought Pakistan to the brink of destruction, but these so called patriots will defend it to the end.

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Army is not a sacred cow.. real patriotism is not raising slogans about the army in every good and bad action.. but real patriotism is to criticize the army when they act against the society.. taking over the government illegally several times, when the self proclaimed President courtesy of the army tried to silence the voices of all the media, judiciary, political leadership, and above all the civil society.

We should stop declaring the army as sole champions of intelligence, patriotism, and national interest. The poor chap who got killed was also doing a great service to our society.. and his murder should be probed and questioned by us without any pre declaration of innocence on the part of the army. After all he was working to expose the wrong doings of army personnel..

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That may be what sane people think, but don't you know that sanity too is treason against Pakistan? Real patriots are like Hannibal and CM, who, even if they witness a murder by the ISI will say "Show proof". Now that's patriotism!

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Aur ye jo so called "Jawaan" hain, of Pak Army, inki bas itni aukat hai ke apnay bandon ko maar sakain. When the Americans attack a house literally next door to a Military Academy, they get their panties in a twist and start cooking up stories to explain their lack of guts.

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I am not contesting that ISI has no hand in killing of Saleem Shehzad but i certainly see no valid proof of linking Kiyani directly to his murder.

I am asking you to judge every article by the same standards and not be quick to believe a non sense hosh posh based upon conjectures and assumptions to be true bcoz it has been printed in New York.

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I have criticised army more than most of you on this forum, i have been threatened by sons of army peopel on this very forum. But be fair on judging teh evidence presented.

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Real patriotism doesn't require evidence either. Just need to listen to unnamed US officials.

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[note] guys please stay civil. no need to get personal. thanks [/note]

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Well said :k:

Army has been killing Pakistani’s for decades, and has destroyed Pakistan, yet some people want to pretend they are only ‘defenders of Pakistan’