Pakistanis are only capable of living under Dictators or Kings who have absolute power. They are not people who appreciate or understand how to tolerate democracy.
Democracy is a Western Philosophical Concept, put into reality by the work and sacrifice of the Western people. It works because they understand the discipline one must sacrifice for it t work.
In Pakistan, there is no concept of power sharing. No sense of “If i am given the floor to speak i must allow others the same floor for the same amount of time”. There is only the Feudal Sense of “Power gives you the Authority to Crush”.
Hence, Pakistan will never be suited for democracy because the Pakistanis arent suited for it. Same with Arabs.
Persians are different though. They are philosophic enough to understand the patience and discipline needed for Democracy. Moreover they are fully capable of changing ways that other cultures have a hard time with (South Asia).
Indians just use deception to get what they want (within a democratic structure).
good post. democracy in the west evolved through hundreds years of trial and error and the system that emerged was according to the needs of individual societies. for example, in some western countries you have a very strong executive such as in the u.s, france and germany and in some countries such as uk and canada, you have a powerful legislative that exercises strong control over the executive. political systems in the west kept evolving according to needs of the society although the process itself was often bloody and tumultuous.
problem in pak is that since people are completly enamoured of foreigners, people want to implement alien systems such as westminster style democracy or sharia nizam even though half the country cant read or write and purhay likhay loag are clueless about how the world works. important to remember that even the west, jahil loag were disenfranchised for a long period because voting was restricted to property owners only. in pak given the ignorence of population as well jahil loag, any govt that comes to power be it democratic or military, faces huge opposition from vested interests that survive by drawing support of jahil awam.
any govt that comes to power has two choices: 1. it takes on special interests 2. it burries it head in the sand and thereby let anarchy take over in pak. the recent opposition against musharraf is due to the fact that musharraf in keeping with his army background is taking on special interests which is causing pain and hence the cheekhna chillana by the opponents. i am glad musharraf is not shirking from the responsibility.
so if you wana say ordinary Pakistaniz are not Organized Patriots, then how come ordinary Pakistaniz are blessed with truely Organized Patriots in a shape of Armed force?
In between 3 centers of World Power, Influence, and Civilization; India, China, and Persia; lies Pakistan.
What is the history of this region?
What were the nations before in this region?
Here are the following kingdoms and empires that have made a mark on this region:
Scythian Civilization
Kushan Empire
Hepthalite Empire
Yavana-Kidarite Empire
Ghaznavid Sultanate
Ghourid Sultanate
Dehli Sultanate
Mughal Sultanate
Durrani Sultanate
Sikh Kingdom
Pakistan Jumhurriyatt (not really; more of a Military State)
If for so many centuries all we know is Military Rule, who the hell thinks we will follow British Democracy? Sorry, but the legacy of the British Empire wont be able to erase such a long history of military societies.
Who we are is what we try so hard to supress. There is probably a reason all movers and shakers of Pakistani History have been Generals and Military Institution and India's history it has been the Gandhi and Nehru Dynasties.
In between 3 centers of World Power, Influence, and Civilization; India, China, and Persia; lies Pakistan.
What is the history of this region?
What were the nations before in this region?
if you go by history there is very little difference between India and Pakistan for obvious reasons. So you cannot use that as an excuse for military rule.
I mean, the simpler explanation is that when all other institutions fail, military finds it easy to grab power with the notion of setting things right.
Pakistanis are only capable of living under Dictators or Kings who have absolute power. They are not people who appreciate or understand how to tolerate democracy.
Democracy is a Western Philosophical Concept, put into reality by the work and sacrifice of the Western people. It works because they understand the discipline one must sacrifice for it t work.
Its only army spread propaganda that Pakistan can only live under danda, truth is Pakistan never had true democracy with right mix of check and balance. Things evolve with time, nothing is perfect in beginning and take right shape with sincerity and time. If Pakistan gets kicked around decade after decade by military dictatorship how can you claim Pakistan cannot live as democratic country.
If you look around in Pakistan.......The Armed force are the only truely Organized Patriots......:)
That is sound of a parrot on a repeat exercise, truth is army is the only powerful corrupt institution which can kick around anyone without any accountability and responsibility. Please don't play "patriotism" card here, I am talking about the upper class in military which manipulates the whole country's political/govt structure.
In between 3 centers of World Power, Influence, and Civilization; India, China, and Persia; lies Pakistan.
What is the history of this region?
What were the nations before in this region?
Here are the following kingdoms and empires that have made a mark on this region:
Scythian Civilization
Kushan Empire
Hepthalite Empire
Yavana-Kidarite Empire
Ghaznavid Sultanate
Ghourid Sultanate
Dehli Sultanate
Mughal Sultanate
Durrani Sultanate
Sikh Kingdom
Pakistan Jumhurriyatt (not really; more of a Military State)
If for so many centuries all we know is Military Rule, who the hell thinks we will follow British Democracy? Sorry, but the legacy of the British Empire wont be able to erase such a long history of military societies.
Who we are is what we try so hard to supress. There is probably a reason all movers and shakers of Pakistani History have been Generals and Military Institution and India's history it has been the Gandhi and Nehru Dynasties.
if you go by history there is very little difference between India and Pakistan for obvious reasons. So you cannot use that as an excuse for military rule.
I mean, the simpler explanation is that when all other institutions fail, military finds it easy to grab power with the notion of setting things right.
Actually history also hints at the sociology of the Pakistani people.
These Muslims who migrated to Pakistan were the sons of rulers and such. The Muslims ruled over the Hindus. Their method of rule was the Military Aristocracy of the Dehlvi and Mughal periods.
They also used the Persian concept of kingship and elitism.
Hence today their political philsophy has gone roughly unchanged.
That is sound of a parrot on a repeat exercise, truth is army is the only powerful corrupt institution which can kick around anyone without any accountability and responsibility. Please don't play "patriotism" card here, I am talking about the upper class in military which manipulates the whole country's political/govt structure.
So how come there has never been a MUTINY in the ARMY if it was so corrupt.... I agree corruption does exist in the higher echelon.
Rank and file which is majority of the Armed Forces do their jobs well and are taught discipline which the average civilian does not care for!
Its only army spread propaganda that Pakistan can only live under danda, truth is Pakistan never had true democracy with right mix of check and balance. Things evolve with time, nothing is perfect in beginning and take right shape with sincerity and time. If Pakistan gets kicked around decade after decade by military dictatorship how can you claim Pakistan cannot live as democratic country.
The reason why Pakistan gets kicked around like so is because the Paki people tolerate it en masse and the military knows it.
Would any Western Nation tolerate military rule? Or would there be civil war.
Not to mention Pakistani politicians suck and have sucked and probably will suck till the end of suck. Military Rulers: Khan, Zia, Musharraf have brought immense changes to Pakistani ethos, borders, powers, etc, that no civilian ruler has done.
It is said (and observed) that Westerners are straight forward people, they say what they feel. And they only know how to live well under a rule that allows freedom of speech.
Us South Asians have a greater tolerance of living in curtailed and military rule, but we have developed a sneaky, shrewd, clever logos to get what we want even when odds are against us.
Indians practice "democracy" in a corrupt form. They are not that violent, and their army sucks ass. They dont know how to fight (except Rajputs or Jats), all they can do is diplomacy. Hence they operate in such.
It is said (and observed) that Westerners are straight forward people, they say what they feel. And they only know how to live well under a rule that allows freedom of speech.
Us South Asians have a greater tolerance of living in curtailed and military rule, but we have developed a sneaky, shrewd, clever logos to get what we want even when odds are against us.
Indians practice "democracy" in a corrupt form. They are not that violent, and their army sucks ass. **They dont know how to fight (except Rajputs or Jats), all they can do is diplomacy. **Hence they operate in such.
The sooner we get rid of such idiotic ideas the better for us. Its not the day and age of muscle power. Women flying B-52s have killed hundreds of men in seconds.
In between 3 centers of World Power, Influence, and Civilization; India, China, and Persia; lies Pakistan.
What is the history of this region?
What were the nations before in this region?
Here are the following kingdoms and empires that have made a mark on this region:
Scythian Civilization
Kushan Empire
Hepthalite Empire
Yavana-Kidarite Empire
Ghaznavid Sultanate
Ghourid Sultanate
Dehli Sultanate
Mughal Sultanate
Durrani Sultanate
Sikh Kingdom
Pakistan Jumhurriyatt (not really; more of a Military State)
Please remind me similar history of US, UK, Germany, Japan, India.... thank you.
The sooner we get rid of such idiotic ideas the better for us. Its not the day and age of muscle power. Women flying B-52s have killed hundreds of men in seconds.
Nah, the Pak army can mow down Indians. At the end, the ratio is in favor of the Pakistanis.
