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I would like to know about:
1- Dhul-Qarnayn
2- Gog and Magog
3- The barrier (Is is the great wall of China?)
4- Is Ibn-e-Batuta directly or indirectly related to any of above?
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great wall of china is made up of soil while..........the barrier made by dhul Qarnyan was made up metal alloys..........
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Peace ninja,
where it was made up? I mean at what place in which country?
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i dont know exact location but saw a video about it long time ago it was some where in russian state…as i remember…
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Great Wall of Gorgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This wall is also considered as wall made by Dhul Qarnyan
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I think wall is some where in Dagestan....and the iranian wall of gorgan is not the wall of Dhul Qarnyan
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Although I disagree Alexander was responsible forthm …
I prefer to conclude Cyrus was the DhulQarnain
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Peace All,
I found some info and would like to share with you all.
**Who was Zul-qarnain? [18:83-98]
**What is the meaning of the name of title 'Zul-qarnain - Lord of the two Qarns'? "Qarn" may mean:
- a horn in the literal sense, as in the case of a ram or bull
- a horn in a metaphorical sense, as in english, the horns of a crescent, or by a further metaphor (not used in english), the horns of a kingdom or territory, two portions at opposite end
- by another metaphor, a summit, a lock of hair, typifying strength, a crest such as Eastern kings wear on their diadems
- referring to time, an Epoch, an Age, a Generation. Meaning:
*=2]is inapplicable to a man or a great King, but see the next paragraph about Alexander the Great. The other three meanings may be applicable, as implying:
*=2]Lord of East and West, Lord of wide teritory or of two kingdoms
*=2]Lord of two crests on his diadem, typifying two kingdoms, or a rank superior to that of an ordinary king
*=2]Lord of more than one Epoch, one whose power and influence extend far beyond his lifetime.
If we accept the popular identification of Zul-qarnain with Alexander, all the three later designations would be applicable to him, as he was Lord of the West and the East, Lord of the Greek States united for the first time (Helenic Captain General) and of the widely-extended Persian Dominion which included all Western Asia, Egypt, Central Asia, Afghanistan, and the Punjab (at least portions). He is represented on his coins with two horns on his head; he considered himself a son of Jupiter Ammon (who had the two horns of a ram), with a divine mission. He revolutionised the history of Europe, Asia, and Africa (Egypt), and his influence lasted for many generations after his death at the young age of 33. He lived from B.C. 356 to 323, but his name was one to conjure with for many centuries after him. It was not only on account of his political power, but his cultural influences. Through his conquests Greek art gave the impluse to Gandhara art in Central Asia and North-West India. The city of Alexandria which he founded in Egypt became the cultural centre, not only for Greece and Rome, but for Judaism and Christianity, and retained its supermacy till the sixth century of the Christian era. Justinian closed its school of philosophy in 529. Its philosophic and scientific schools spread their influence over even a wider area than the Mediterranean basin.
Now the generality of the world of Islam have accepted Alexander the Great as the one meant by the epithet Zul-qarnain. But some of our 'Ulama' have raised doubts about it and made other suggestions. One is that it was not the Macedonian Alexander the Great, but an earlier prehistoric king contemporary with Abraham; because, they say, Zul-qarnain was a man Faith **[18:88-98] **while Alexander the Great was a Pagan and believed in Grecian gods. An identification with a supposed prehistoric king, about whom nothing is known, is no identification at all. On the other hand, all that is known about Alexander the Great shows that he was a man of lofty ideals. He died over three centuries before the time of Jesus, but that does not mean that he was not a man of Faith, for God revealed Himself to men of all nations in all ages. Alexander was a disciple of the philosopher Aristotle, noted for his pursuit of sound Truth in all departments of thought. Alexander's reference to Jupiter Ammon may have been no more than a playful reference to the superstitions of his time. Socrates spoke of the Grecian gods, and so did Aristotle and Plato, but it would be wrong to call them idolaters or men without Faith. In the Ethiopic traditional stories of Alexander the Great, he is represented as a great prophet.
Another suggestion made is that Zul-qarnain was an ancient king of Persia. A king of Persia is referred to a Ram with two horns in the Book of Daniel (viii.3) in the Old Testament. But in the same Book, the Ram with the two horns was smitten, cast down to the ground, and stamped upon by a he-goat with one horn (viii.7-8). There is nothing in our literature to suggest that Zul-qarnain came to any such ignominious end. Nor is the Book of Daniel an authority worth consideration. It authenticity is very doubtful. There is no question that it is a patch-work, as parts of it are in the Aramaic (or Chaldee) language and parts in Hebrew, and there are in it a number of Greek words. The Septuagint version contained large additions. "Daniel" - whoever the writer of writers were - refers to historical Persian kings. If it is argued that it was some old prehistoric Persian king who built the Iron Gates [18:96] to keep out the Gog and Magog tribes [18:94] this is no identification at all. There is no unanimity about the identity of the Iron Wall, or the Gog and Magog tribes. Both these subjects will be referred to presently.
Another suggestion made is that it was some old prehistoric Himyarite king from Yemen, about whom nothing else in known. This, again, is no identification at all.
(To be continued....)
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Sheikh Imran Hosein has published his research paper in book format (google it, its available for free download as well) on this matter. He spent 15 years of his life on this. He has an alternate view (debatable ofcourse) on this matter. He has based his research on Surah Kah’af and other Quranic, biblical and historical events.
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^
for the link. Wow 15 years of his life to gain such knowledge. Amazing.
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It has to be more than 15 years. I know him since 1995 and at that time, he was already well established scholar and his books were already out, such as one on Khilafa and Saudi state. He is originally from Trinidad but knows fluent urdu since he also went to Karachi for religious education. He is well known to be one of the good scholars who follow Sufism.
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(Cotinued from post #8)
The qeustion of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog & Magog) and the iron barrier built to keep them out is of some interest. It is practically agreed that they were the wil tribes of Central Asia which have made inroads on settled kingdoms and Empires at various stages of the world’s history. The Chinese Empire suffered from their incursions and built the Great Wall of China to keep out the Manchus and Mangols. The Persian Empire suffered from them at various times and at various points. Their incursions into Europe in large hordes caused migrations and displacements of population on an enormous scale, and eventuaally broke up the Roman Empire. These tribes were known vaguely to the Greeks and Romans as “Scythians,” but that term does not helo us very much, either ehnically or geographically.
If we could locate the iron barrier or iron gates referred to in 18:96, we should have a closer idea of the tribes whom the barrier was meant to keep out. It is obvious that the Great Wall of China is out of the question. Begun in the third century B.C. and continued later, it covers the enormous length of 1,500 miles, and goes up the hills and down the valleys, with towers 40 feet high at intervals of 200 yards. Its average height is 20 to 30 feet. It is built of stone and earth. There is no particular point in it which can be identified with the iron barier in the text. No one has suggested that Zul-qarnain was a Chinese Emperor, and none of the great Conquerors of Western Asia can be credited with the building of the Chinese Wall.
The Barrier in the text must have been more in the nature of iron gates than an iron wall. Two Iron Gates, geographically far apart, have been suggested in the alternative. Sometimes they have been mixed up by writers not strong in geography. Both of them have local associations with the name of Alexander the Great. Both are near a town Derbend, and have borne the name of Bab-ul-hadid. Will post examination the case of each in turn in next 
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i watched imran hosein's youtube lectures years ago, amazing work, really like him.
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Peace shardmanny,
Plz post the link (upload it) here.