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Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

@Mr.Popat

Aqeedah of Muslims derived from what ? My humble question to you is not to keep hampering same thing over and over. I drew your attention to 2 instances in which 2 human beings (being prophets) travelled from point A to point B to see their Lord. Both events according to the same aqaaid of Muslims were of physical nature. How can you say at one place Allah say one thing, and at another he forgets what he says (nauzubillah) and say something else that totally negates what He said earlier. It is like you’re saying Qur’an has contradictions. If Qur’an is without any contradictions, then as a Muslim, watever we think is contradictory, we should reconcile it and present it after.

You’re forgetting Muhammad PBUH’s physical ascension to heavens where he met Lord. My humble question is.. doesnt matter which instance you take to explain yourself.**. i’m asking.. why would one not think that he is at one specific place when we have in front of us 2 people who ‘went’ to meet Lord ? **

The aqaaid should be synchronized. You cannot hold 2 totally different views at the same time. Whatever your assumption is about where Isa a.s must be are all your assumptions which again greatly violate the fundamentals of Quran. You can assume whatever you like.. but thats your assumption. Why make that assumption islamic ?

Again, i dont want to start a debate about where Isa a.s is. Taken from one world to another is only possible in 2 cases…death and sleep. No other **possible **way. But lets just leave that aside for a minute. Are you saying when Isa a.s was taken up.. at that time, allah’s arsh was empty ? (given that you think arsh to be a place where he sits). If he was over the arsh too , and was also where isa a.s was, then how am I wrong to say he is infact everywhere?

So many of concepts existed way before Islam too. They were wrong. Hence we needed Islam. Whatever is in sync with Islam from other religion are right…again, whatever contradicts Quran is false.

I said it earlier too that to me when i say hes everywhere, i mean his signs are present everywhere.. therefore its HIM who is everywhere. Do u think theres any place anywhere lacking his presence ?

Either I’m not getting what you’re trying to say or there’s some serious communication gap.. let me try one more time.
**a physical body which is limited to a direction…(not just in the event of Isa a.s but also holy prophet s.a.w) has moved towards God who is limited to no direction. What is it that i’m not getting ? you said, this event can be viewed in many ways… but these ways whatever u tried to explain are not islamic. A person goes to ghaib.. he’s alive but hes not here etc are all baseless.. Allah says.. 7:25 : He said, ‘Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die, and therefrom shall you be brought forth.’ **This verse referring to Earth. We’re not talking about death for now.. in this verse, it says to LIVE you must be on Earth. In other words, theres no life for a human being outside of Earth. One can only live outside by taking the atmospheric temperature of the earth, by taking with them oxygen cylinders etc.. there’s no concept of a person being ghaib and sent back to the world again.

No aqeedah holds more value than what Qur’an says. Before making anything part of your aqeeda,just once see if its not contradicting with other verses of Quran. Every aqeedah is made from Qur’an. You explain this with Quranic reference and if you’d like to support it with ahadith, please do so. I’m eagerly waiting.

Peace Mr.Popat

The basis for the majority of your substantiation is similar to a Mu’tazilis way of thinking and discourse. In other words you think you are referring to the Quran, but in fact you are appealing to your own reasoning and placing greater value in that.

There are plenty of Hadith that substantiate the views that are reflected in the aqeedah of the AhlusSunnah … I will refer to Al fiqh al Akbar and aqeedah at-Tahawiyya for my fuller response, inshaAllah …

To summarise what I am going to say is that I have not made up my beliefs like you claim I have …

These are established beliefs:

Isa(as) was taken to the skies as part of his ascension … He does not reside in the world now, but will reside in the world towards the End Times.

Muhammad (SAW) 's mi’raj was a reality and did occur that he (SAW) went to Jerusalem and Jannah, which in our frame of reference took merely a second.

Do these narrations mean that Allah is in Jannah? … No … That is an assertion you are making. Becoming close to Allah (SWT) is a reference to piety, and being distant from Allah is a reference to our acknowledgement that we are insignificant.

However this does not preclude that going upwards physically cannot be a means to symbolise the transition from the Earthly existence to another one. Rather in both cases of Isa (as) there were eye witnesses who saw him (AS) going upwards physically.

Also … The reference of going to Jerusalem in one night is Qur’anic, but going to the heavens is hadithic and if we can accept that Muhammad (SAW) can go to Jerusalem in less than a night by the Will of Allah then why not anywhere in the universe?

I’ll provide you my references but I can tell you for a fact that Muslims do not believe that Allah is everywhere, nor somewhere, and that going to heaven for Isa (AS) and Muhammad(SAW) are actual references and not metaphoric, but by going to heaven physically or in a manner that is suitable is symbolically the same as going to Allah (SWT) …

i.e. by being taken to the heavens they were honoured by Allah SWT.