Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

@psyah

Peace the first part of your post is you just saying back to me what I have always said to you …
The verses you gave have no bearing on this subject.
Regarding the account of Isa (AS) you are trying to look too critically imposing a literal understanding one that we do not even share … Isa (AS) according to the belief of the Muslims was saved from crucifixion … he (AS) is waiting to return. Whatever the dynamics of where he is at this moment in time can be viewed in many different ways that are both in fitting with contemporary understanding and totally in sync with the aqeedah of Muslims.

Aqeedah of Muslims derived from what ? My humble question to you is not to keep hampering same thing over and over. I drew your attention to 2 instances in which 2 human beings (being prophets) travelled from point A to point B to see their Lord. Both events according to the same aqaaid of Muslims were of physical nature. How can you say at one place Allah say one thing, and at another he forgets what he says (nauzubillah) and say something else that totally negates what He said earlier. It is like you’re saying Qur’an has contradictions. If Qur’an is without any contradictions, then as a Muslim, watever we think is contradictory, we should reconcile it and present it after.

You’re forgetting Muhammad PBUH’s physical ascension to heavens where he met Lord. My humble question is.. doesnt matter which instance you take to explain yourself.. i’m asking.. why would one not think that he is at one specific place when we have in front of us 2 people who ‘went’ to meet Lord ?

The aqaaid should be synchronized. You cannot hold 2 totally different views at the same time. Whatever your assumption is about where Isa a.s must be are all your assumptions which again greatly violate the fundamentals of Quran. You can assume whatever you like.. but thats your assumption. Why make that assumption islamic ?

Being taken up to Allah (SWT) means being taken away from this world to another abode which is in the ghaib. We are obliged by tradition to attribute a direction to this occurrence, however that direction does not bear on our belief regarding Allah (SWT). Rather it demonstrate the chosen method by which Isa (AS) was taken.

Again, i dont want to start a debate about where Isa a.s is. Taken from one world to another is only possible in 2 cases…death and sleep. No other possible way. But lets just leave that aside for a minute. Are you saying when Isa a.s was taken up.. at that time, allah’s arsh was empty ? (given that you think arsh to be a place where he sits). If he was over the arsh too , and was also where isa a.s was, then how am I wrong to say he is infact everywhere?

Asking you to read the Jewish works was so you can get an idea that the concepts I am talking about are already established. In translation there may be cases where they are using more suitable terminology.

You keep hampering on about Allah (SWT) being in a specific place … neither have I made such an assertion nor have I said that He is everywhere. To say He is either everywhere or somewhere is confining Him to direction. There are other problems associated to saying Allah (SWT) is everywhere. And that is when we consider the concept of Oneness. Allah (SWT) cannot be everywhere in the literal sense for that is the pathway to pantheism. You seem to be trying to use the argument of Allah (SWT) to apply to Isa (AS) … but you are pulling at straws … There is nothing like Allah (SWT).

However when we refer to the movement of people there is no reason why they cannot taken literally at least in the worldly frame of reference.

So many of concepts existed way before Islam too. They were wrong. Hence we needed Islam. Whatever is in sync with Islam from other religion are right…again, whatever contradicts Quran is false.

I said it earlier too that to me when i say hes everywhere, i mean his signs are present everywhere.. therefore its HIM who is everywhere. Do u think theres any place anywhere lacking his presence ?

Either I’m not getting what you’re trying to say or there’s some serious communication gap.. let me try one more time.
a physical body which is limited to a direction…(not just in the event of Isa a.s but also holy prophet s.a.w) has moved towards God who is limited to no direction. What is it that i’m not getting ? you said, this event can be viewed in many ways… but these ways whatever u tried to explain are not islamic. A person goes to ghaib.. he’s alive but hes not here etc are all baseless.. Allah says.. 7:25 : He said, ‘Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die, and therefrom shall you be brought forth**.’ **This verse referring to Earth. We’re not talking about death for now.. in this verse, it says to LIVE you must be on Earth. In other words, theres no life for a human being outside of Earth. One can only live outside by taking the atmospheric temperature of the earth, by taking with them oxygen cylinders etc.. there’s no concept of a person being ghaib and sent back to the world again.

No aqeedah holds more value than what Qur’an says. Before making anything part of your aqeeda,just once see if its not contradicting with other verses of Quran. Every aqeedah is made from Qur’an. You explain this with Quranic reference and if you’d like to support it with ahadith, please do so. I’m eagerly waiting.