Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Where is the Only One ‘True God’?

@psyah

Peace Mr. Popat

Well we can view certain situations with different mindsets … we know that when we view the references of Isa (AS) ascending** we must view them in reference to the heavens above … we get this from hadith that support this view and eye witness accounts from previous scripture**. Hence in this case “Allah taking up to Himself” has to be taken with reference to the idea that “Allah (SWT) is over the Arsh” … In other circumstances we would have to use the other idea …

Peace
Sorry to be replying late.

We as Muslims should have a firm belief of Quran being the final word of Allah and that nothing in it contradicts anything else in Quran. Afterall, its the word of Allah.. and Allah’s book does not hold any contradiction. We have in this book verses which are muhkamaat and verses which are mutashabihaat. Our job must be to translate the verses which are mutashabihaat in accordance to the verses which are muhkamaat. Muhkam verses of Quran are known as the mother of Quran. Whatever translation we make must not contradict any muhkam verse of Quran. If it does, then as Muslim, we must reconcile the verses and provide the translation thereafter.

Allah says.. 2:107 Dost thou not know that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah alone? And there is no protector or helper for you beside Allah.
3:189 And to Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; and Allah has power over all things

Now, these are examples of muhkam verses. Verses concerning him sitting over the Arsh is mutashabi verse.. meaning, it needs to be reconciled with the verses such that it does not create contradiction within Quran. Arsh is not any physical place. Arsh denotes majesty and power and His kingdom. A king sits on a throne to tell everyone that he is the king. Allah on the other hand uses the same example. Now, if we say arsh defines his majesty and His superiority, then this way we do not contradict any verse of Quran.

Isa(a.s)'s case, He was alive and was taken to an unspecified direction where Allah seems to be present. It seems Allah was not where Isa(as) was being crucified. What need was there to take Him up physically alive? If we think Allah was over the arsh the time Isa(a.s) was being crucified.. it means Allah had to come down to take him up to himself, leaving the throne empty.. which again is not possible. (hence i said above, arsh is not a physical place).. If you take Arsh to be physical then either one of the place must have been empty of the presence of Allah.. at the time Isa a.s was being crucified. Earth or the Arsh.

You said that you get this belief which is supported by hadith. Please show me a hadith or even a verse from Quran stating Isa a.s’s physical ascension .. but again, my point of bringing Isa a.s’s case here is not to argue about his ascension or not.. I mentioned the instance of Mairaaj as well. What we’re trying to see is where Allah is. Please do share hadith which support your view. I’ve shows you many ahadith and verses of Qur’an negating your belief. If you insist of still following them to show respect your ancestors, then carry on.

Here read this reference from the Jewish encyclopedia:

ELIJAH - JewishEncyclopedia.com

The vision in which God revealed Himself to Elijah gave him at the same time a picture of the destinies of man, who has to pass through “four worlds.” This world was shown to the prophet in the form of the wind, since it disappears as the wind; storm (

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) is the day of death, before which man trembles (

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); fire is the judgment in Gehenna, and the stillness is the last day (Tan., Peḳude, p. 128, Vienna ed.). Three years after this vision (Seder 'Olam R. xvii.) Elijah was “translated.” Concerning the place to which Elijah was transferred, opinions differ among Jews and Christians, but the old view was that Elijah was received among the heavenly inhabitants, where he records the deeds of men (Ḳid. 70; Ber. R. xxxiv. 8), a task which according to the apocalyptic literature is entrusted to Enoch. But as early as the middle of the second century, when the notion of translation to heaven was abused by Christian theologians, the assertion was made that Elijah never entered into heaven proper (Suk. 5a; compare also Ratner on Seder 'Olam R. xvii.); in later literature paradise is generally designated as the abode of Elijah (compare Pirḳe R. El. xvi.), but since the location of paradise is itself uncertain, the last two statements may be identical.

Notice how the Jews use a much more suitable word than “travelled to the heaven” - they use the term “translated” as though the “nature of the body” changes to become suitable for heavenly presence … Something like this should be understood when we talk about the “Ascension” of Isa (AS) …

I do not understand what was your intention of asking me to read the jewish encyclopedia.. as if our deen was not complete enough.
But anway, i’ll finish off by saying that Allah says.. 6:103 : Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware

If Allah was at one specific place, our eyes could see him. If he had any shape, our eyes could see him. But He is neither at one specific place, nor is He of any shape. He reaches the eyes, which again shows his majesty. If the eyes were able to reach him, it would imply that he is at the place where we saw Him through our eyes. Such is the way of Allah. He explains his verses repeatedly in different manner so we understand. Such is His glory!