Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@Mr.Popat

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2) >> theres no hadith of him taken up alive.

@Ibn_Sadique

Popat I’ll just give you two ahadith:

Ibn Abbas said, “When Allah intended to raise 'Eisa to the heavens, he went to his companions … and 'Eisa ascended to the Heavens through an opening in the top of the house.” (Ibn Abi Hatim 4/431 Hadith 6266, Ibn Kathir 2/449. Ibn Kathir graded it Sahih)

It is narrated from Ummul Momineen Safiya, may Allah be pleased with her, that when she visited Bait Al-Maqdis (i.e. Jerusalem) and finished prayers in Al-Aqsa Mosque she climbed up to Mt. Olives and prayed there as well and said: ‘This is the mountain from where 'Eisa, may Allah bless him, was raised up to the Heavens.’ (Al-Tasrih bima Tawatar fi Nuzul Al-Masih Hadith 74 cf. Tafsir Fath Al-Aziz Surah 95)

Note: Ummul Momineen Safiya, may Allah be pleased with her is blessed Prophet’s (saw) wife!!

You did not even acknowledge the ahadith; and of course we know the reason why.

MGAQ ibn Chiragh Bibi has rejected these ahadith and thrown them into waste bin the ahadith as they were not in line with his ‘ so called wahi’.

To my previous post:

@Ibn_Sadique

Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) is NOT DEAD and is in Heaven now – this is the Belief of Muslims – He is in the care of Allah (swt). This is Alam al Ghayb – This known only to Allah (swt). If it is necessary for Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) to eat being a Mortal, Allah (swt) will provide for him.
And it is within Allah’s (swt) Ability keep him Alive without food for how long He likes – for this is easy for Allah (swt) – All He has to say is: ’Be’ ‘It Happens.’
You are limiting Allah (swt) Ability to fit in with your beliefs!
As I said this is in Alam al Ghayb – The facts are these:

1. While on Earth Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) ate food like any mortal.
2. Romans/Jews did not kill him.
3. Allah (swt) raised Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) to Himself, body and soul.
4. Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) is in Heaven now in Allah (swt)’s care.

How Allah (swt) is maintaining him? That’s up to Allah (swt) as He is the Provider of all human needs.

Refer to the following ayah:

*So We said: O Adam! This is an enemy to you and to your wife; therefore let him not drive you both forth from the garden so that you should be unhappy; [20:117]

Surely it is (ordained) for you that you shall not be hungry therein nor bare of clothing; [20:118]*

If Allah (swt) has ordained that Hz. Adam (as) and his wife (ra) will not be hungry; the same can apply for Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum.( For us this was while they were in Heaven but for Ahamdis this was in Mesopotamia).

You answered thus:

@Mr.Popat

1. he ‘ate’ food like any mortal. He a.s is not eating food anymore. If he a.s is NOT eating food. He is either 1) dead or 2) the like of God.
2. Yeah, nobody killed him. Passing away of prophets is mentioned in 2 ways. Jesus a.s passed away from a natural death, not by getting killed.
3. No. Allah did not. You have no evidence for this.
4. He a.s must be in heaven with all the prophets who died. He does not need to be alive to be in heaven.
   That’s quite a statement ! that its upto allah how hes maintaining him. You have a belief which is not approved by Quran. Allah is provider of all human needs. Food is human’s number 1 need. But hes not eating anymore. Are you saying God alone is paak from eating but Jesus a.s also shares this attribute of Allah ?

1. Yes Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) ate food while on Earth like all mortals do. How do you know he is not eating now?
   You are relying on and hiding behind the false ‘wahi’ on Mr. MGAQ ibn Chiragh Bibi. And you ‘other’ logic is flawed as pointed out by brother psyah.

God has revealed to me in this special inspiration that Maseeh Ibne Marym (Jesus) is dead - (Tauzeeh-e-maram, Roohany Khazaaen, vol.3 p.402)

I have been informed about the grave of Jesus (in Kashmir). And I have been informed by holy Quran and God’s revelation to me about the death of Jesus – Roohany Khazaen, vol. 18, p 358, 361

This false claim was just to get Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) out of the way to lay claim to the vacancy thus ‘created’.

2. You are wrong! Allah (swt) says in Quran that He raised Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) up to Himself.

3. No Evidence? I had given you ahadtih – which back up the ayah of the Noble Quran.

*Ibn Abbas said, “When Allah intended to raise 'Eisa to the heavens, he went to his companions … and 'Eisa ascended to the Heavens through an opening in the top of the house.”
(Ibn Abi Hatim 4/431 Hadith 6266, Ibn Kathir 2/449. Ibn Kathir graded it Sahih)

It is narrated from Ummul Momineen Safiya, may Allah be pleased with her, that when she visited Bait Al-Maqdis (i.e. Jerusalem) and finished prayers in Al-Aqsa Mosque she climbed up to Mt. Olives and prayed there as well and said: ‘This is the mountain from where 'Eisa, may Allah bless him, was raised up to the Heavens.’ (Al-Tasrih bima Tawatar fi Nuzul Al-Masih Hadith 74 cf. Tafsir Fath Al-Aziz Surah 95)*

Note: Ummul Momineen Safiya, may Allah be pleased with her is blessed Prophet’s (saw) wife!!

4. That’s just your assumption! Islamic beliefs are such that Hz. Isa Ibn Maryum (as) is alive in Heaven ‘body and soul’ and will descend when Allah (swt) Wills to accomplish the mission prearranged for him. And when he dies he will be buried in Madinah next to the Prophet (saw).