Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders
Peace Mr.Popat
I have clear objection on your assertion that this verse in any way proves Isa (AS) has died. I showed this because it does not say anywhere in the verse that he died … Rather this verse demonstrates that he may be alive because it is not constructed in same way it could have been constructed with the other verse that we have compared it with.
Also … I have clearly said this verse with reference to eating is not in the past perfect tense … It is past imperfect … Which means that when the event was observed the act was being done … But there is no information on whether it has stopped being done. In the other thread you rightly called it maadi istimrari … But you wrongly described what istimrari means.
You can’t have something that is ‘continuous’ and yet ‘completed’ at the same time and that is what you have said in the other thread.
Qad Khalat in both verses does not provide any meaning of death to either the prophet Muhammad (SAW) nor does it do so for prophet Isa (AS) either … In both cases it is there to ask people to look at past examples of prophets that have come and gone …
You have asked a secondary question about … How they have gone … And this is a mixed bag … Besides completely irrelevant because it does not bear on the clause of the sentence at all.
The context of the one is being slain or killed and the context for the other is were eating …
To die or to eat are two different verbs and both of them are ungodly … My further contention was expressed at your attempt to say that eating was done … To jump to conclude that eating is not done now … To make the final jump to therefore they have died …
I say.
A) the phrase is not past perfect so we can’t say it is done and dusted
B) as a result we can’t conclude eating is not done now
C) we can also not conclude that eating IS being done, because there are other ways Allah (SWT) may choose to sustain life.
D) to say Isa (AS) has died from this is flawed … And against the accepted opinion of the scholars. Who use the clear ahadith telling us that Isa (AS) ibn Maryam (AS) will return.