Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

Mr.Popat · August 11, 2012, 10:20pm

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

WTH where they thinking when they said this?

Peace Mr.Popat

I’ve already spoken to you about the translation of the term “Qad Khalat” - it means “have come and gone” - it can include those who are still alive and those who have died …

You have a fixation over food … and death

I have shown that the Arabic of the term - “Kaana Ya’kulaani” is not perfect - which means it does not include that idea that those who ate are not eating now.

I have also shown that Qad Khalat does not necessarily mean death

I have tried to show that eating is enough for a person not to be called Divine

And it is clear that no where in the Qur’an does it specifically say Isa (AS) has died, and where it could have been used - the example of food was used instead…

Historically we have no body of Isa (AS) … [But modern claims from your community say otherwise]

Christian reports say he (AS) Ascended physically and our Qur’an say that he (AS) was “taken up”
And our hadith say he will “descend”

Look at verse 2:134. Here Allah used ‘Qad Khalat’

Sahih International
That was a nation which has passed on. It will have [the consequence of] what it earned, and you will have what you have earned. And you will not be asked about what they used to do.
Muhsin Khan
That was a nation who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do.
Pickthall
Those are a people who have passed away. Theirs is that which they earned, and yours is that which ye earn. And ye will not be asked of what they used to do.
Yusuf Ali
That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did, and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case!
Shakir
This is a people that have passed away; they shall have what they earned and you shall have what you earn, and you shall not be called upon to answer for what they did.
Dr. Ghali
That is a nation (that) has already passed away; it shall have whatever it earned, and you shall have whatever you have earned, and you shall not be questioned about whatever they were doing.

Also see 2:141 where the term qad khalat has been used.

You keep changing your position. First you tell me that Allah can keep humans alive without food. Now when its time to answer about this verse, you tell me that qad khalat means ‘come and gone’ whereas, ibn sadique and i have presented many many translation of this verse and in all of them it says messengers like him have ‘passed away’. Come and gone does not mean one is living. One goes away or leaves this world by dying ! HOw does that favor your stance? :S

I have told you eating along with not dying are 2 things mentioned in the verse. You are neglecting the not dying part. Allah does not die, but prophets do die. Allah does not eat and prophets do eat. Just eating is not enough for a person to not be called divine. Not dying is a divine atribute, which no prophet, no human being shares.

Christians say he was ascended physically up. Which is wrong.
No. Quran does not say he was taken up to God physically. No mention of either body or skies/heaven is mentioned. You are using 1 verse interpreting it your own way, and coming up with conclusion. I’m presenting to you verses after verses disproving your belief.

Hadith says he will descend, not return.

You say where Allah could have used death, he used the example of food. Well, i dont understand why you’re not seeing this? Are you ignoring Allah’s word? Allah did say clearly that He a.s was a messenger like any other. And messengers like him have passed away. How else do you want Allah to explain it specifically? He explained prophets dying before Muhammad PBUH in 3-144 too. Messengers before Muhammad PBUH have passed away! Do you really think you can explain this by saying because Messengers like him have passed away, Jesus a.s have not ? C’mon buddy.. think !