Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

Mr.Popat · August 10, 2012, 11:45pm

Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

Mr. Popat you said “Imam mahdi is obviously going to be from the progeny (ummah) of Muhammad pbuh” - You have conveniently reinterpreted this to mean “ummah” … This is not true - had the word been “ummah” the hadith would have used that word … Imam Mahdi will be from the “house” (Bait) of RasoolAllah (SAW) … To avoid it you have included this ummah interpretation and yet your own beliefs are that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is from the progeny of Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW).

I’ve done my job, you can’t possibly demonstrate that … Now, here is my real point …

You believe the Second Coming of Isa (AS) should be taken as a metaphor for the Messiah status to be given to another person … You also believe this other person is al-Mahdi and you believe he is from the Ummah of RasoolAllah (SAW) … You believe he was born to an Indian family, in and Indian tribe … You also argue that the original Isa (AS) went to Kashmir to teach the “lost tribes of Israel” - which cannot be ratified by significant data on Jewish diaspora anyway … May be those lost tribes are metaphorically part of the progeny of Israel too …

The return of the Messiah you say would be unfair if he came to the Ummat of RasoolAllah (SAW) rather than the Ummat of Israeel (AS) … but that is exacly what you claim happened albeit in the form of another person, who himself is neither from the Arabs nor the Jews … Is that not even greater in unfairness?

At this point, I think you are doing it on purpose. You dont see to what extent you take yourself just to keep on debating without any reason. Allah says that Muhammad PBUH is not the father of any of you men, but then in another verse it is said that the ummah of Muhammad PBUH is his progeny (ofcourse spiritually). Like I said earlier, being the direct relation of Muhammad PBUH does NOT guarantee that the person will be pious. History is the witness. Noah a.s’s son was a disbeliever. Pharoah’s wife was a pious lady etc. So kindly correct your understanding.

Why is it that you keep bringing Imam Mahdi in to discussion? I have provided to you verses which shows Isa a.s death. Your job now is to prove him living … and only this way will you get somewhere. There is absolutely no need for you to talk about Imam Mahdi at this time. I can answer you to this post of yours too but really.. I dont see a reason why I should. I will eventually answer, if only i get my response.

I explained 2 verses to which you still have not answered. This is like my 100th time asking anyone to explain me.

One verse was regarding Jesus. Jesus a.s was a messenger just like others. And messengers like him have passed away. Jesus along with his mother used to eat.

If Jesus a.s was messenger like others, then just like how others died, he died as well. Since Allah is telling Christians how He a.s cannot be God, he presented 2 arguments in the verse. Death and eating. Since Allah does not die and does not eat.. and Jesus used to eat and also has died, therefore he cannot be God. To say that Allah only used the argument of eating is not right. If you say God never dies, and never eats, these 2 attributes are limited to God only. To say Jesus a.s used to eat, does not eat anymore and YET he a.s is alive is associating partners with Allah and Christians stand corrected by calling him God or son of God.

This was another verse. Muhammad pbuh died and messengers before him have passed away too. Allah explained the ways of passing away. There are only two ways messengers passed away. 1) natural death 2) being killed. There is no 3rd way of passing away. Isa a.s was before Muhammad PBUH and we know since jews did NOT kill him, he a.s died a natural death. No other possibility.