Destiney or FreeWill ??

The sad thing is that such topics that you find complex have already been explained to our ummat by the holy apostle (pbuh) and his purified progeny (as).

Why, why, why don't you refer to the holy ahl-bait (as) who are the inheritors of the knowledge given to them by Allah (swt) and his holy messenger (pbuh).

Imam Ali (as) has said regarding Freewill or Destiny:

"Woe to you! Did you think that it was a mandatory destiny, and a
final will? If it was as such, then reward and punishment would have
no value, and admonition and exhortation would totally fail! Allah
(SWT) has ordered His (SWT) servants to obey Him (SWT) voluntarily,
and asked them to cease doing evil as a warning to them (from
punishment); and He (SWT) has ordained easy (simple) things in
religion, and He (SWT) has not ordained difficult (hard) duties. He
(SWT) has given for the small amount of good deeds you do, a great
reward; and He (SWT) is never disobeyed as a sign of His (SWT) defeat
(or lack of power and ability); and He (SWT) is not obeyed [or
worshipped] through coercion and force, rather voluntarily. He (SWT)
has not sent Prophets and Messengers as part of a game He (SWT) is
playing; nor did He (SWT) send down the Books (revealed scripture) for
no reason. And He (SWT) did not create the Heavens and the Earths as
a falsehood (triviality); That, indeed, is the belief of the
nonbelievers: Woe to the nonbelievers from the hellfire..."
NOTE: The latter part of the speech: "That, indeed, is the belief of the
nonbelievers: Woe to the nonbelievers from the hellfire......" is a verse
from the Quran that al-Imam Ali (AS) concluded with.

Al-Imam Ja'far al- Sadiq (AS) said:

"It is not TOTAL Free Will, nor is it TOTAL Fatalism; rather, it is a matter between [those] two matters."

When a man asked al-Imam al-Sadiq (AS) what he (AS) meant by the above
quote, al-Imam al-Sadiq (AS) answered:

"To walk on the ground is not the
same as to fall on it!"

Here's what it means:

You walk on the ground voluntarily, but it may happen to you that
you fall because something unexpected happened to you (for instance, some
body hit you from the back). Who among you wants to fall on the ground on
purpose? Such is the wisdom of the Imams, the progeny of the Seal of
Prophecy (PBUH&HF).

So Qada Wa Qadr is a matter between two matters: Some
things we can control, and others we can't; it is a mixture of Free Will
and Allah's (SWT) Will.

This belief is closer to reason than what all the other schools say.

Moreover, a human being is ONLY liable for that which he has a will [and
control] over; and Allah (SWT) will judge him on those deeds that he voluntarily committed, NOT the ones that he has no control over.

It is really sad that the majority of Muslims in the world today do not even know that the teachings of the Prophet PBUH’s own family actually exist.

Please refer to Hazrat Ali (AS)'s authored book, the Nahj al Balagha at http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/

Therein you will find information about such deep and mystical matters as explained by Imam Ali (AS) himself.

[This message has been edited by alizadeh2000 (edited July 14, 2001).]

This issue can cause many problems if not understood correctly. For example sometimes people get defeated and seem to believe 'it's fate' when they themselves have not done anything to reverse something.

kumarakn,

We only use the word He when talking about Allah(swt) because we are discussing in English. Allah(swt) is Neither He nor She.

actaully it does'nt matter if u call allah she, he, it etc...

when it comes to allah these words lose there classification (as far as sex is considered) and simply used as a reference to him/her/it


To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.

Could you please type Allah with a capital 'A', thank you.

Allah in arabic is a masculine word and that is why people refer to allah as he.

My friend recently spoke to me about fate and it freaked me out. she was saying stuff like the life we are living life isnt reality, weve already lived it and the reality of our life is with god. i later understood what she meant, which is the lives we are living and how we will live it is known by allah, not that he wrote it but because he knows us better than ourselves. so our future is known by god-its not that god is controlling us hence free will which will determine our residence in hell/heaven.

in regards to destiny you, in certain matters (except birth, death and a few others) have total control. Allah knows what you are like as a person and knows how you will/will not react to things, yet he does not control the way you act. therefore it is often mistaken that allah has written things for us, but that isnt the case he just knows how people will react. for example take a girl who committed fornication and as a result got pregnant and had an abortion, the abortion isnt written for her, allah just knew that she would do it cos he knew what she is like and knew how she would react, Allah is all knowing all wise.

i also heard recently even marriage isnt written, allah knows who you are going to choose. as for birth, death, the place where you will die and gender of a foetus these are determined, and there are another two things but ive forgotten.


quran: they plot and yet Allah is the best of plotters

Allah in arabic is a masculine word and that is why people refer to allah as he.

My friend recently spoke to me about fate and it freaked me out. she was saying stuff like the life we are living life isnt reality, weve already lived it and the reality of our life is with god. i later understood what she meant, which is the lives we are living and how we will live it is known by allah, not that he wrote it but because he knows us better than ourselves. so our future is known by god-its not that god is controlling us hence free will which will determine our residence in hell/heaven.

in regards to destiny you, in certain matters (except birth, death and a few others) have total control. Allah knows what you are like as a person and knows how you will/will not react to things, yet he does not control the way you act. therefore it is often mistaken that allah has written things for us, but that isnt the case he just knows how people will react. for example take a girl who committed fornication and as a result got pregnant and had an abortion, the abortion isnt written for her, allah just knew that she would do it cos he knew what she is like and knew how she would react, Allah is all knowing all wise.

i also heard recently even marriage isnt written, allah knows who you are going to choose. as for birth, death, the place where you will die and gender of a foetus these are determined, and there are another two things but ive forgotten.

Allah in arabic is a masculine word and that is why people refer to allah as he.

My friend recently spoke to me about fate and it freaked me out. she was saying stuff like the life we are living life isnt reality, weve already lived it and the reality of our life is with god. i later understood what she meant, which is the lives we are living and how we will live it is known by allah, not that he wrote it but because he knows us better than ourselves. so our future is known by god-its not that god is controlling us hence free will which will determine our residence in hell/heaven.

in regards to destiny you, in certain matters (except birth, death and a few others) have total control. Allah knows what you are like as a person and knows how you will/will not react to things, yet he does not control the way you act. therefore it is often mistaken that allah has written things for us, but that isnt the case he just knows how people will react. for example take a girl who committed fornication and as a result got pregnant and had an abortion, the abortion isnt written for her, allah just knew that she would do it cos he knew what she is like and knew how she would react, Allah is all knowing all wise.

i also heard recently even marriage isnt written, allah knows who you are going to choose. as for birth, death, the place where you will die and gender of a foetus these are determined, and there are another two things but ive forgotten.

In reply to capitalizing allah with an 'A':

allah and/or Allah means the same thing please dont enforce ur ways on others ...


To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.

Hi!

Direction is more important than speed. Look at the milestone not the speedometer.

So give respect where respect is due!

If you will not repect your Creator ( the unseen) how will you respect your parents?

and how dows replacing allah with Allah gives a measure of once respect for him ?

are u telling me that u know more then me how much respect I have for allah ??


To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.

** Thank you bro a1shah and Alizadeh, for enlightening us with words from Hazrat Ali (RA) about destination and freewill. I remember now reading these at one point of time in past.**

About Hazrat Ali being 'author' of Nahjul-balagha, I'll ask question in respective thread, please be kind to answer.


We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Originally posted by AekKella:
*In reply to capitalizing allah with an 'A':
allah and/or Allah means the same thing please dont enforce ur ways on others ...
*

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I agree with AekKella. Capitalizing does not exist in Arabic script.

[quote]
Originally posted by babydoll:
**

but you are forgetting the you are using ENGLISH script. and when you mentioned ‘AekKella’ you used the capitals

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/frown.gif

When we write a name in English we (or the english people) capitalize first letter, don’t they?

Have you seen bill clinton, or tony blair written as in this line in any newspaper using English character set (letters)? simple thought, isn’t it?


We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

[This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited July 19, 2001).]

supersition that captalizing shows respect ... falsified becuase u dont know wat I respect or not ... evidence -> as a person used to computer based communication two things which are of little importance is the grammer and speelling of wat u rite...

4 xmple i chuse 2 rite dis way cuz itz smpl and fast...nuthin 2 do with respect! just a way of riting...


To do in life is to appreciate it. To live life is to lose it. I dont know what I am saying so I will stop saying it.