despicable.

My bhabis rishterdaar had a baby, hes 9 month now, he had some issues, health issues, which needed urgent operatiing on. they are in pakistan. anyway, the hosp refused to operate until they paid the fee. !! Now this is nothing surprising to me, i know how hosp in pak work, but hes 9 months and was most def going to die had he not been operated on urgently, poor fmaily had to do whatever they could, i think my bhabi sent money but it took time. the nurses were rude and brash and said thats hosp policy, and if they cant find the money then they can just get lost. not sure whats happen ed since, but its not as if the family were poor, but getting money that amount couldnt be done that quickly.

apparently the docs were rude too, blunt, and said the fee was to be made before they even bothered to speak to the parents.

is this common practise in pak.dusgusting.

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Yep sadly it’s common practice. :chai:

Thats why i’m always thinking we need a revolution someday soon. :jhanda:

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thats disgraceful

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What my revolution or the doctora and thier greedy ways? :konfused:

Khabardaar hamaree revolutionary thinking ke koy khilaaf hoye :asa:

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I think I might have an idea which hospital is this. Many people go to these hospitals from a new breed of 'lush-push' private hospitals in Pakistan expecting first class treatment forgetting that they only serve as ego massaging service for the ultra rich of our society rather than pain reducing agents for public.

If people did pay their taxes honestly, we might have better public health services anyways.

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disgraceful..

it is and it is not..

what is the tipping point?

a doctor has to make money too, and sadly in a country where there is rampant poverty and no real health insurance, if you start performing services, sometimes using expensive drugs and supplies as part of the procedure and then find out that the person can not pay, how will you feed your own family?

so do they take in one person who has no money (at that time or no money in general) or 2, or 20?

dont get me wrong, we have had to rush to free up funds for services or answer calls to help out very quickly so some urgent surgery could take place, so I completely understand the patient and family perspective and it is very cruel.

but..

can we just blame the doctors?

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^ Hey thats right… it’s mostly the rich who are dodgeing the tax too… :asa:

The poor cant afford to dodge tax but the rich wont pay it so someone better make em empty thier pockets.

As for the doctors not all are bad but then again not all are gang rapists are they otherwise :2guns:

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I agree. It is disgraceful.
I've witnessed this type of behaviour personally when Noor was admitted for a night in Karachi.

It was nasty and some of the actions were completely uncalled for. But we have to see it from both sides.

this is common practice in USA as well, if you dont have insurance then f..k off.

not for ER.

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it's disgrace to humanity.

but then we are talking about Pakistan.

personally speaking, i never encounter anything like that.. yeh maybe coz i never went to any public hospital in Pak..

but i do heard stories from certain people... but then i also heard the new 1122 service in major cities is also good, and emergency wards of Faisalabad public hospitals were funded by local business men and people did like and said good things about it.

i don't know if it still continue, but Sitara Group owner: haji bashir & Alkaram textiles were paying one million daily to Allied Hospital Faisalabad for free services in emergency wards ..

i dont believe you. prove it.

he is right, you don't need to pay anything for the ER, i can confirm this for NYC at least.

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It all revolves around money here . Sadly humanity is not really a part of our life .

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My auntie died last year in hospital and they wouldn't release the body until they were paid.. Does seem callous but I think they prob would have a hard time getting ppl to pay up otherwise and obviously they have to cover the costs for all the drugs, equipment etc., it costs millions to run a hospital..

No excuse for rudeness or a bad attitude tho..

Not true in emergencies. They don't even ask for your insurance/payment until you are registered, have had all preliminary tests and a doc has seen you.

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I just experienced this last week.

Not to mention that if doctors start taking care of patients before taking the fee, just imagine how many people will abuse the system. I am thinking that 50% of them wont pay full or maybe any amount and disappear.

you put yourself in emergency situation and we will prove it.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)

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dont underestimate the wisdom of the Pir side.