Re: “Desi” , A very Confusing Word for me
I never felt Desi word offensive either… 
I would rather be called Afghan over desi anyday.
Yuck!
the so-called country cuz of which entire Pakistan has become "charsitan" or "taliban" ka ada, sure be that one.
do you even know what afghanis do in Pakistan?
even though the day i read that in 1947 afghanistan was in fact the only country that disagreed with Pakistan's establishment i dont like it, still i feel bad for the afghani cute kids picking up the garbage from the trash-bin on the streets of karachi. they had no future in Afghanistan, but they are also not doing any good to Pakistan, except for bring goods (heroine, weapon) and their confused ideology.
ps. i have only seen pakhtoons who likes to relate themselves with afghans.
I am Pukhtoon and I love Pakistan , pakistan is My "Jaan" and "Eiman".
Your take on Pakone reply is Logical , but , I think some ground realities should be keept in view prior to bring some GENERALIZED COMMENTS.
Yuck! the so-called country cuz of which entire Pakistan has become "charsitan" or "taliban" ka ada, sure be that one. .
Do you know the same blame Afganis give to Pakistan because of Pakistan Role in War against Rusia and Now in the War against Taliban.
do you even know what afghanis do in Pakistan? even though the day i read that in 1947 afghanistan was in fact the only country that disagreed with Pakistan's establishment i dont like it, .
No one appriciate Afganistan for this and No Pukhtoon would relate him/herself to Afganistan in this connection.
If you will go through the replies , I think PakOne means to say that , If Desi means from the origin , then since Our origin is from Afganistan so I should term myself Afgan.
And the word "Afgan" is use Second name for Pukhtoon.
The Word Afgan does not refer here to Afganistan , but the Race Afgan.
still i feel bad for the afghani cute kids picking up the garbage from the trash-bin on the streets of karachi. .
Do you know what is Afganis Openion regarding their kids doing this ?
They are saying our kids are working hard , instead to beg others.
Secondly they are complaining about Pakistani Govt , they are saying that the Funds UN sent for us , Pakistan Corrupt officers did not give to us or gave us only 100th of it.
they had no future in Afghanistan, but they are also not doing any good to Pakistan, except for bring goods (heroine, weapon) and their confused ideology.
ps. i have only seen pakhtoons who likes to relate themselves with afghans.
A very great Irony comes here , do you know Afganis, in wellknown Shopping center near Karachi University/NED univesity or Safary Park i.e SAMA SHOPING CENTER, there are Hundreds of Afganis Cloth Shops and they almost all posses Pakistani CNIC.
who are in NADRA ?
We pakistanis who are giving Nationality to AFUMERS, HERIONERS etc.
Pukhtoons Relate themselves to Afganistan because of their Ethnic origin not because of the Present Afganistan.
Do you know the same blame Afganis give to Pakistan because of Pakistan Role in War against Rusia and Now in the War against Taliban.
Indians also dont like pakistani. the point there is not whose accusations are stronger, whose not, the point is Pakistan helps a lot, especially giving space to afghan refugees, but still they say worst things about Pakistan on Western media.
if they wana bad-mouth pakistan, sure go ahead but do it in their own country. we dont share anythign with them. not even their religious ideology or cultural one. may be pakhtoons share somethign, but they are not whole a lot in comparison to rest of the Pakistani population.
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No one appriciate Afganistan for this and No Pukhtoon would relate him/herself to Afganistan in this connection.
If you will go through the replies , I think PakOne means to say that , If Desi means from the origin , then since Our origin is from Afganistan so I should term myself Afgan.
And the word "Afgan" is use Second name for Pukhtoon.
The Word Afgan does not refer here to Afganistan , but the Race Afgan.
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this is something new for me. even the word pathan is not something puktoons like to be called (this is also something i recently discovered).
do pakhoons even realize that the more they worry about that what they should be called, the more their ideology faces a crisis and the more they get confused.
you call yourself afghan, but its doesnt mean that you are afghanistani. Paktoons dont wana be part of Pakistan but still they are part of it. they are loyal to Afgans, but they dont wana deal with the shi* aghanistan is dealing with and they also want all the comfort that they can get while living in Pakistan, but also they dont realize that how much their confusion is making Pakistan suffer.
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Do you know what is Afganis Openion regarding their kids doing this ?
They are saying our kids are working hard , instead to beg others.
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WORKING HARD???
and you are buying this bl00dy nonsense?
no wonder Afghanistan is having taliban which they are transferring it to Pakistan as well.
with no education, in fact with no access to basic neccesities of life they only left with three possiblities. one is to be a drug dealer, other is to be a drug addict and third one is becoming a "dheshat gard"
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Secondly they are complaining about Pakistani Govt , they are saying that the Funds UN sent for us , Pakistan Corrupt officers did not give to us or gave us only 100th of it.
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PAkistani govt cant even take responsibility of its own people, so why the heck afghanistan is letting their own peoples life suffer like this?
and other question is where all the weapons many afghan tribes are getting from? who is supplying them? and where they are getting all the money from?
if PAkistani govt is eating those funds then so is afghani govt.
and god know what role exactly UN is playing? may be those funds only exist on papers.
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A very great Irony comes here , do you know Afganis, in wellknown Shopping center near Karachi University/NED univesity or Safary Park i.e SAMA SHOPING CENTER, there are Hundreds of Afganis Cloth Shops and they almost all posses Pakistani CNIC.
who are in NADRA ?
We pakistanis who are giving Nationality to AFUMERS, HERIONERS etc.
Pukhtoons Relate themselves to Afganistan because of their Ethnic origin not because of the Present Afganistan.
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talk to the people in the language they can understand you.
trust me no one really has time to sit there and listen to this indirect afghan-paktoon relation.
if you will relate yourself with afghanistan then yes you will get these name, and only cuz there is nothing else pakistani has gained from them.
so the better question you should ask that what exactly afghanistani like to called?
shouldn't you be afghan-one then? :)
At this rate, I just might be.
Desi is used as in umbrella term to group Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis together. I refuse to have agree to any term that puts me under any larger (Indian) dominated classification.
I don't hate India or Indians, yet I would rather identify with Pakistani, and in absence of that, Afghani.
Isn't it ironic that people here have a problem with me identifying with a neighboring Muslim country where a significant number of blood relatives reside yet have no issues with identifying with country that many of our forefathers fought to obtain a hard fought separation from?
Oh I forgot all Pakistanis are descendants of Arabs, Iranians, Turks and Afghans...yup desis indeed :D
Yuck! the so-called country cuz of which entire Pakistan has become "charsitan" or "taliban" ka ada, sure be that one.
do you even know what afghanis do in Pakistan? even though the day i read that in 1947 afghanistan was in fact the only country that disagreed with Pakistan's establishment i dont like it, still i feel bad for the afghani cute kids picking up the garbage from the trash-bin on the streets of karachi. they had no future in Afghanistan, but they are also not doing any good to Pakistan, except for bring goods (heroine, weapon) and their confused ideology.
ps. i have only seen pakhtoons who likes to relate themselves with afghans.
Zobia, I don't think you understood what I said. The word Afghan = Pakhtun. I am referring to ethnic connections not political ones. Regardless of who is/isn't in power does not change the fact that Pakhtuns live on both sides of the Pak/Afghan border and we will NEVER abandon our linkages with them.
Hey if you people want to call yourselves desis, then go right ahead. I'll stick with Pakistani.
Re: "Desi" , A very Confusing Word for me
At this rate, I just might be.
Desi is used as in umbrella term to group Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis together. I refuse to have agree to any term that puts me under any larger (Indian) dominated classification.
I don't hate India or Indians, yet I would rather identify with Pakistan, and in absence of that, Afghanistan.
does desi include bengaldeshis? i know it does not include srilankans for example..
anyway you did not say you would rather be called pakistani than desi, but rather be called afghani than desi.
Zobia, I don't think you understood what I said. The word Afghan = Pakhtun. I am referring to ethnic connections not political ones..
Isn't it ironic that people here have a problem with me identifying with a neighboring Muslim country
make up your mind bro, you said you would not want to be called desi, kewl. no argument with that, or anything really. Its just that your words are confusing.
first you said you would rather ba called afghani, when you could have said you would rather be called Pakistani, although later you said you would rather be called pakistani..
then to me you say why people have a problen with you identifying with a neighbouring country
then to zobia you say you are referring to ethnicity not poltical ones.
PS: before you write a long response, I am not serious, I know exactly what u mean but I decided to join the open season on you in this thread :D
does desi include bengaldeshis? i know it does not include srilankans for example..
anyway you did not say you would rather be called pakistani than desi, but rather be called afghani than desi.
Bro, you need to check out Brick Lane on the Desi question, more than a few Bangladeshis would be offended if you took them out of the "Deshi" classification.
It's about gradients chief, Pakistani above all, but if I have to choose Afghani over desi.
make up your mind bro, you said you would not want to be called desi, kewl. no argument with that, or anything really. Its just that your words are confusing.
first you said you would rather ba called afghani, when you could have said you would rather be called Pakistani, although later you said you would rather be called pakistani..
then to me you say why people have a problen with you identifying with a neighbouring country then to zobia you say you are referring to ethnicity not poltical ones.
PS: before you write a long response, I am not serious, I know exactly what u mean but I decided to join the open season on you in this thread :D
Context hombre. When it comes to neighboring countries, do I have more in common with the Eastern neighbor or the Western one? Plus when you insert politics in the mix, we clearly need to make distinctions.
Open season? You should check out the "Life" section, I have haters all over the place :D
Re: "Desi" , A very Confusing Word for me
Is there a reason Sri Lankans aren't included under the desi 'umbrella'? I assumed they would be..
Zobia, I don't think you understood what I said. The word Afghan = Pakhtun. I am referring to ethnic connections not political ones. Regardless of who is/isn't in power does not change the fact that Pakhtuns live on both sides of the Pak/Afghan border and we will NEVER abandon our linkages with them.
Hey if you people want to call yourselves desis, then go right ahead. I'll stick with Pakistani.
i quoted you because this is not the first time i am hearing this. as i mentioned earlier that pakhtoon are facing lots of ideological crisis that is why it is really hard for them to blend in any race, ethnicity, ideology.
so do pakhtoons even realize that what exactly they like to be denoted as? sure its in your dictionary afghans are same as paktun but not the majority of the world aware of it.
ps. political and ethnic ideologies are correlated with each other, and they stand equal when it comes to afghan ideology.
ps2. i am not mocking or anythng, i just want you to realize that it is better not to act like an ostrich.
i quoted you because this is not the first time i am hearing this. as i mentioned earlier that pakhtoon are facing lots of ideological crisis that is why it is really hard for them to blend in any race, ethnicity, ideology. so do pakhtoons even realize that what exactly they like to be denoted as? sure its in your dictionary afghans are same as paktun but not the majority of the world aware of it.
ps. political and ethnic ideologies are correlated with each other, and they stand equal when it comes to afghan ideology.
ps2. i am not mocking or anythng, i just want you to realize that it is better not to act like an ostrich.
You definitely need to define this "ideological crisis" that you're referring to? As for blending in, that is something that the rest of Pakistan is more worried about. I can definitively answer your questions:
Race: Caucasian
Ethnicity: Eastern Iranian
Ideology: Again not sure what you mean here?
Now can you say the same thing about other Pakistanis? I don't like the word desi when used in a subcontinental context because it negates the Pakistani nationalism that many of our forefathers fought and died for. If we are all desis in the same camp with Indians and Bangladeshis, then why did we separate from India? Why did Bangladesh separate from Pakistan?
Furthermore, if you want to talk about ideological crisis, if I start counting the times when a Punjabi or Urdu speaker came to me and mentioned that their ancestors were somewhere from the Middle East, I'd be rich. I don't go around asking where your forefathers come from. You (not you personally) hate Indians in one breath and still call yourself desi at the same time..for that I say I'd rather be called Afghan, as my commonalities lie with the people West of Durand. I don't even have issues with India or Indians, as I see them as a distinct nation that is not pretending to be from somewhere else like many Pakistanis do.
As for the Pakhtun-Afghan issue. I could care less whether the world is aware or not. If people are going to comment about the Pakhtun nation, its THEIR responsibility to understand the differentiation. Yes Pathan is an offensive term because 1. it was given by the British 2. It is used in the Indian/Pakistani caste system. To date, the Pakhtun bloodline is probably mostly preserved in the Rohillas of India and they do not follow the caste system, so where are all these caste based 'Pathans' coming from?
Ethnicity is a constant while political ideologies shift. Today there are Pakhtuns on both sides of the border, some are secular, some nationalist, others Taliban, monarchist, separatist..however all adhere to the codes of Pakhtun culture, and language.
We are proud of our people, history, commitment to Islam, and our role in the Pakistan movement. It's too bad that our patriotism is questioned at each turn, pushing us further away from the goal of a truly independent and confident Pakistan.
Thank You Zobia , for your SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much sincerity for Pakistan , my Reply in regards of Pakhtoons RESERVED.
Like me Confused about word “Desi” , 
Thanks for your Kind Permission.
and I should be carfull in saying myself Afganistani, But Zobia in case I do some Spelling Mistake then I would be forgiven… (Hey… Please)
Information updated , thanks for your kind Information , I didnot know this before.
That is why I started this thread to earase my confusion , as due to OUR(Pukhtoon’s Confusion) , Our Pakistan(Sorry , only your Pakistan) is Suffering.
I am sooooooooooo sorry , I irritated you.
Noted.
One thing I know , when Mujahedeen were fighting with Rusians in Afganistan , some weapons , Money was going to Aganistan through Pakistan.
For the Recent situation , I donot know.
Re: "Desi" , A very Confusing Word for me
pak-one as someone of rohilla background I have to inform you that there has been a lot of intermixing in areas stretching from rampur to saharanpur, it was inevitable after centuries of coexistence. The issue there is that with the intermixing, some of the caste has crept in but you are right, nowhere close to what we see elsewhere in the whole zaat and what nots.
pak-one as someone of rohilla background I have to inform you that there has been a lot of intermixing in areas stretching from rampur to saharanpur, it was inevitable after centuries of coexistence. The issue there is that with the intermixing, some of the caste has crept in but you are right, nowhere close to what we see elsewhere in the whole zaat and what nots.
Sure, intermixing will definitely occur. Rohillas, as you know, are still patrilineal therefore the authenticity/lineage can not be doubted. It becomes highly suspect for other Muslims in India who claim “Pathan” ancestry. Maybe they have some linkages, maybe they don’t.
Also I read an interesting article on Pakhtuns in the West Indies/South America who had been transported during the British colonial period and have still retained much of the culture despite more extensive intermixing with other Muslim groups.
Re: "Desi" , A very Confusing Word for me
pak-one well linkages are not always based on lineage on paternal or maternal path. I mean it becomes a matter of simple math, whether in rohilla empire specifics or broader subcontinental aspects. It would be one thing if pashtun women never married non pashtuns, I am not sure if that is the case in the broader sense but in the rohilla empire, and even after the end of the empire intermarriages with other muslims were common. While the lineage may be counted only along paternal line, genetics are not really confined to those, maybe that is what people mean?
bloodlines are a funny business, i was reading an interesting study how much of spain still had a very large number of arab genes, and one thinks, wait..so they are christian spaniards, how on earth do they have genetic traits of what were mostly muslim arabs.
Now at the end of the day are all the ppl claiming to be khan, syed, qureshi, ansari, siddiqui, farooqi, osmani really from those backgrounds, I dont know, it seems unlikely.
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I’m sure you know more about the Rohillas than I do, however when we contextualize it within the history of Pakhtun military entry into India, there was a definite gender misbalance, highly skewed towards males. It was only after the Rohilla kingdom was firmly established that we see families migrating from Pakhtun areas of what is now Pakistan/Afghanistan. So it is very reasonable to expect intermarriages with other groups both during the early stages of the empire and at a much later period. I speak in broad terms but you get my drift.
I agree that is pretty tricky when people talk about their background – are they referring to a maternal grandmother who was Pakhtun? Or is the linkage stronger than that? Again I mention the Rohillas because that is one community (despite all the intermarriages and Indianization) that has still maintained the Pakhtun identity.
I may have read a similar article on Arab genes prevalence in Spain but I question 2 major issues (I am a banker not a geneticist): 1. Are they truly Arab genes or are they Berber? Because Berbers (pre-Islam) were found on both sides of the Mediterranean (Spain and the Maghreb). 2. Perhaps historians have underestimated the rate of conversion by the Muslim Arabs during the Inquisition where the DNA imprint is much more significant than what we had previously thought, bearing in mind the same situation as the Rohilla case, where the Muslim Arabs who were mostly male married Christian/converted Spanish women…their progeny returning to the Catholic faith. Interesting circumstances indeed.
I think the claims made by many Pakistanis and Indian Muslims might be a mix of truths, false mythology, and misinformation. For example, many Desi people think that Khan automatically makes you Pakhtun, when it is actually a Central Asian (Turkic in origin) term. Similarly, I think that there are far too many Syeds in the Subcontinent than we can account for. This thread is pretty timely because Pakistanis are very much confused in their background/orientation with the denial of Pakistan’s pre-Islamic heritage.
Yeah, same here!