Descriptive of Hadith

[lethal_kamikaze]

:salam2:

I think there are two types of hadiths:

(1) Where Prophet Muhammad directly ordered to do and not to do this and that.

(2) Where Companions r.a. reported that they have seen Muhammad doing and not doing this or that but it was not ordered.

In option #1: It is like a prescribed order which we must follow without any excuse. Like in any organization/business/Government, there are some prescribed rules/policies which must need to be followed and it is our duty that we must obey it. So almost every person within that organization/business/Government follow it and do the same.

In option #2: It is like adopting/following a procedure which actually wasn’t ordered but seen it was done by the Prophet Muhammad , so ‘they’ recommend us (others) to do the same like that. Like in any organization/business/Government, many person smoke in half time, some others go out for lunch and some others do lunch at office. I mean half time is fixed but individuals doing different things and they’ll not bound to do one and same things.

My question is that 'we have read many hadith (here on gs to) where in some hadith, our Prophet ordered us and in some others it is narrated by the Companions of the Prophet that they have seen Him doing like this or that, so how we’ll take a hadith?

[Mughal1]

Re: Descriptive of Hadith

The real source of islam is only and only the quran because it is divine program, constitution and guidelines for law formation for mankind.

Hadith are like daily newpaper of the day. In there we find what prophet said or did on daily basis and why he did that. Other than that hadith has no role in islam.

What is useful in hadith for the ummah? The main thing the ummah can learn from hadith is information as to what prophet said or did or why in respect of quranic program, constitution and law formation.

Like today all prophets lived in their own time and all of them faced problems and all of them had to solved them, the question is how did they solve their problems? The answer is, they solved them in light of their revelations and their own situations and circumstances. What does that tell us? It tells us to take lives of the prophets as an example for dealing with real life situations and circumstances in light of divine revelations. This is termed sunnah of the prophets.

Sunnah does not mean copying each and every act of any of the prophets just for sake of copying the prophets regardless one has those situations and circumstances or not. We must remember the fact that no prophet followed any other prophet just for sake of copying each other. imitation is only in purpose and not in mere action. This is a major point that muslims must realise. Sunnah does not mean aimlessly copying any prophet just for sake of it but if you really have any problems, solve them like the prophets did for your own real situations and circumstances for your time and place.

Mullahs have turned islam into a joke by teaching people sunnah means copying the prophet of God in all his actions regardless there is need for doing that or not. They have invented the sawaab idea and that is why we see a lot of useless actions being carried out by people in the name of sunnah of the prophet and that bis why muslims are behind in everything they were taught to do to be leaders of humanity. All because they lost the way to purposeful forward thinking as sunnah of the prophets and instead adopted backward thinking in the name of sunnah.

Imagine if our prophet came back today and saw these mullahs running around like headless chickens having no clue what they are doing and why they are doing it when the prophet turned backward people in to forward thinker s and planners. They think they are living back in 7th century in arabian setting instead of 21st century. A very sad situation they have put the whole of ummah in. Time to get out of this stupidity and become leaders of the world once again. That is real following of the sunnah of the prophet.

The prophets were teachers of mankind and the reason they came was to lead mankind in to progressive thinking so that they could meet their needs and wants for their times so that they could be prosperous and live in peace. Imagine people still using smoke signals and riding on camels and donkeys for transportation as sunnah of the prophets, this is what has turned islam into a joke. The shear stupidity of unthinking minds in the ummah who are followed as leaders.

People need to understand the quran and hadith in their proper contexts so that they could be useful for them. Hadith is not about reading some commandments of the prophets and doing them without thinking whether they are for all times are only for time of the prophet. Each prophet had to solved his problems as per his own time and because he solved his problems for his own time it teaches us to solve our problems for our time in light of divine revelation given to us for today. It does not teach us to apply exactly the same solutions to our problems today unless our problems happen to be exactly the same that need exactly the same solutions.

By saying and doing things the wrong way we are attributing lies to God and his messenger if we could realise how serious this is. The other thing we are doing is making things difficult for ourselves and driving away people from islam by telling people nonsense things about islam.

So we should stop and think this over and change our mindset, attitude and behaviour accordingly to be in line with the quran and hadith porperly.

[teggy]

Re: Descriptive of Hadith

Walaikum salaam,

The two sources of Islam are Quran and Sunnah. Quran is divine revelation, and Sunnah is derived from the recorded ahadith that outline how the beloved Prophet (s.a.w.) implemented the Quran in his life, and how he advised others to implement it in their lives.

I don't understand how people have no trouble discounting the Hadith, while we've only come to know of the action/etiquettes of the Prophet (s.a.w.) from Hadith. Mullah bashing sounds fine and dandy on white background, but to paint over all the Islamic scholars of current times as source of mockery for Islam is not only far from the truth, but rather an insult to those scholars who spend their lives studying the Quran, Sunnah for the sake of educating the masses on the proper implementation. Do not group the minority troublemakers with a majority of the scholars who are/have been cautious in what they say/do.

I would never abandon one while holding to the other; that leads to misguidance and confusion. Sunnah is manifestation of Quran.

As for the proper implementation of Quran and Sunnah/Hadiths, absolutely. No argument! No doubt! We should be seeking guidance from the two sources of Islam to apply them to our current changing times/needs. What I do have a problem with (and I'm not saying that particularly to this thread), but in general that people are quick to discount any hadith that does not conform to their lifestyle. You do not pick and choose. You either take it all, or leave it all. Islam in its entirety is a blessing.

Allah knows best. May Allah (swt) guide us all, and keep us on the straight path that does not deviate from the truth leading to Allah (swt). Ameen!

[teggy]

Re: Descriptive of Hadith

As for OP's stated material. I take the Prophet's orders as the orders of Allah (swt). If anyone says the Prophet ordered something of his own without command of Allah (swt) has another thing coming for them in their graves and on the day of Judgement.

We are intellectual beings, and as such we should use our intellect to determine which Hadith applies in which situation. But to disregard it when you have become sure that it is applicable, is no less than closing eyes in hopes of being able to deny the existence of a ruling that is present.

I'm no scholar. But, I feel that Hadiths/Sunnah are the preferred manner in doing things. Sunnah is manifestation of the Quran. So long as the hadith is verified, and not weak and does not contradict the Quran, you will have no trouble following it in its entirety. As stated earlier, i'm of the opinion and I firmly believe in the fact that Prophet's sunnah is the manifestation of the Quran. Prophet (s.a.w) lived according to Quran.

May Allah (swt) forgive me, If I have said something which exceeds the limits. Astagfirullah.

[psyah]

Re: Descriptive of Hadith

Peace Brother lethal kamikaze

Of type #1 ... There are some that have been abrogated by other instructions, some that have limited use and some that applicability for all time.

of type #2 ... There are some things we should follow as Sunnah and others that we should not follow taking them to be Sunnah, but just acts necessary for practical use. Like riding the camel.

Sunnah is a peculiar thing because it is specific in the minds of people ...

In terms of following hadith ... The general ruling applies that hadith which are not mutawatir but confirm a positive thing for gaining barakah they can be followed, but they are not binding. Binding hadith are generally firmly grounded in authentic traditions.

It would be itself a type of weakness to remove the sunnahs stemming from weak hadith purely because they are weak ... This is because potential benefit can be lost ... Weak hadith are not fabricated hadith and we should understand the chasm of difference between these two.

Again weak hadith to be followed can be reassured from scholarly consensus ...

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: Descriptive of Hadith

Peace All,

for your inputs. May I explain my point with an example. This is because I want to learn/understand more.

I was listening a lecture where a well known scholar (Aalim) said that he read a hadith where our Prophet Muhammad one day served food by Himself to ‘Christians peoples’, so it is our duty now that we should serve the Christians and also provide them place inside our Masjid whenever it is required.

Kindly note there is no question about the authenticity of the hadith but the question is that the hadith is narrated by the Companion(s) r.a., of the Prophet Muhammad where they seen Him doing this but on the other hand, lets say we don’t find any hadith where He ordered us that 'we may allow Christian peoples in our Masjid.

Here comes the differences that some say it is oky/allowed to let them in our Masjid where some others say no/not allowed.

I’m looking for an answer of that “differences” b’coz sometime in our gathering, I came in between of two peoples who have different opinions and all i want both of them get agreed with each others one one thing.

Hope I was able to put forward my point.

P.S. The above is a just an example to explain my point and it shall be taken as ‘example’ only. Kindly do not start Muslim-Christian debate here.