Descartes or Peirce?

Peirce [indirectly] attacks Descartes on his methodology of establishing truth.

I’m Team Descartes. How about you.

Descartes foreva. just kidding. :frowning:

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cogito. ergo sum.

jk jk.. como. ego sum.

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All he said was: I think, I am. the therefore is the devil's creation.

i don't get the second part?

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erm.. thats just me trying to say: I eat, I am.

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LOL, your avatar.

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I did little reading on Descartes. So far i am only able to say that everything is questionable, and so long as it is questionable it is fair to say nothing can be known.

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Descartes holds that truth can be obtained and categorises truth as the certainty in something ... his idea of truth therefore is something from within us.

Peirce holds that truth is what our thoughts correspond with and includes a time element and process of investigation to infinitum suggesting that reality is the perception of our journey and truth is something defined by the correct use of "signs" that lead us on that journey closing in to a consistent outcome. Hence he separates absolute certainty from absolute truth and infers that truth is abstract from us.

Descartes said "I think therefore I am" ...

So the sentence above ... "I think", "I am" the "therefore" is the devil's creation.

is refering to the "therefore" in the statement by descartes linking the sign of thinking to the sign of being as a cause and effect ... one from the other. Since Peirce used triadic conditions to formulate truth I suppose the notion here is that:

I think and I am should not be constructed as a premise and conclusion but should co-exist each confirming the other ... such as in the relationship between "reality" and "truth" ...

Descartes takes "I think" as an absolute certainty hence as an absolute truth and Peirce takes "I think" as a "sign" ... whereas the former can conclude from it, the latter is stuck with two "signs" and relies on time to arrive at a similar end.

Peirce believes he is real and Descartes would say it is true that he exists.

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omgggggg. i didnt know you guys replied :D leme read!

ps: you guys didnt pick a team :(

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I know one Universal Truth................

You can not put De carte before De Horse!.............:D