Democrats denounce Bush policy on Iraq

Opposition to another war is gaining momentum with senior Democrats highly critical of the Bush Administration’s stance on Iraq.

Democrats denounce Bush policy on Iraq

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20021004&Category=NEWS28&ArtNo=110040083&Ref=AR (Excerpts)

WASHINGTON - Toledo Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur, the senior Democratic woman in the House, gave a blistering indictment of President Bush’s Iraq and Middle East policies yesterday, denouncing a war resolution drafted by the President and some Democratic leaders.

With debate heating up, Miss Kaptur and 25 other congressional Democrats - including Ohio Reps. Dennis Kucinich, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, and Sherrod Brown - gathered at a news conference across the street from the Capitol to denounce the President’s request for congressional authority to use military force against Iraq.

Instead of unilaterally going to war and creating new enemies for the United States, she said, Mr. Bush should be trying to build support for international inspections of Iraq and making friends in the Islamic world.

The Toledo congresswoman said she is "weighed down’’ by worry that the United States will go down a path that will create problems for years. As she travels, she said, she sees U.S. embassies around the world turned into bunkers, and the nation’s capital becoming increasingly fortified.

"You can’t protect your country when it’s embroiled in the middle of revolutionary forces,‘’ she said. "American dollars are supporting regimes [that are hated by thousands]. We are being sucked into an extraordinarily dangerous foreign policy. We’re on the wrong horse. We’re on many wrong horses with this President.‘’

Arab-Israeli tensions and U.S. oil dependency are more immediate problems the United States should focus on compared with going to war against Iraq, she said. She noted that Mr. Bush said in his speech to the United Nations that Saddam Hussein is a "grave and gathering threat,‘’ not an “imminent” threat. "We have time to build support for inspections [of Iraq],‘’ she said. …

Have these Democrats been declared "enemy combatants" yet? Remember what Bush said - "you are with us or against us". :)

No you gotta be muslim for taht to happen to you, or you Bush dont like the way you look. He is pretty fickle. But democracts will fall in line no matter what. The US will go to war, when is the question.

Has he been labelled anti-American yet :D?

**Gore Assails Bush’s Stance on Iraq **
In fiery speech in San Francisco, he says a unilateral attack would hinder the war against terrorism and estrange key U.S. allies.

Using unusually harsh language and a sometimes mocking tone, Gore suggested Bush was exploiting tensions with Iraq for political gain and to distract, as Gore put it, from the administration’s failure to capture and punish those responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.

“I do not believe that we should allow ourselves to be distracted from this urgent task simply because it is proving to be more difficult and lengthy than was predicted,” Gore said in a critique that set him apart from the rest of the prospective Democratic presidential field. “Great nations persevere and then prevail. They do not jump from one unfinished task to another.”

Further, Gore asserted that Bush’s “go-it-alone, cowboy-type approach to international affairs” risked further antagonism overseas and that some of the steps taken in the name of security at home—including the detention of suspects without legal representation—were “beyond the pale and un-American.”

And Gore challenged the strategic doctrine Bush laid out last week, saying the asserted right to unilateral action against suspected terrorists and rogue nations could encourage other nations “to exert the same right.”

“Then the rule of law would quickly be replaced by the reign of fear,” Gore said.

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Further, Gore asserted that Bush's "go-it-alone, cowboy-type approach to international affairs" risked further antagonism overseas and that some of the steps taken in the name of security at home—including the detention of suspects without legal representation—were "beyond the pale and un-American**
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Un-American.

Thats quite a serious charge to put against Bush, and one that Gore would have thought about carefully before making. No doubt the Bush team will say that Gore is himself "un-American" or still smarting from his 'defeat' in the not so one man one vote Presidetial election. But calling someone, let alone the President "un-American" shows the very grave doubts a great deal of Americans have over Bush's war mongering.

No he wont be, as gore is not a challenge to bush at all. Doesnt matter what gore says or does. What Daschle says matters.

Kucinich heads anti-war coalition in U.S. Congress

By Thomas Ferraro

WASHINGTON, Oct 6 (Reuters) - “Let’s stop wasting American lives,” reads an old anti-war flier kept as a memento in the office of Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio.

**Thirty years after handing out copies of this leaflet during his first run for Congress as a young foe of the Vietnam War, Kucinich is rallying opposition to a possible U.S. attack on Iraq. **Kucinich lost that 1972 congressional campaign, and he will likely lose his bid to stop Congress from authorizing President George W. Bush to use force against Iraq.

But dim prospects do not deter this long-time dove and liberal gadfly as he heads an anti-war coalition of some two dozen fellow Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives, none of them members of the chamber’s top leadership. “War is a failure of diplomacy and imagination and creativity,” Kucinich, 55, said in an interview with Reuters last week.

“I’m trying to organize an effort that is based on resolving this crisis peacefully by insisting on U.N. weapons inspections of Iraq while also making efforts to bring Iraq back into the community of nations,” he said.

**“How is it that we can solve this peacefully?” Kucinich asked rhetorically, barely pausing before providing an answer. “First, stop the war talk. It is destabilizing in the region and with our allies,” **Kucinich said. Kucinich sounds like a veteran of the anti-war movement that helped radicalize his generation. But he can now buttress his case with inside information he gets as a lawmaker. “Our intelligence agencies have not produced any evidence that suggests that (Iraqi President) Saddam Hussein has usable weapons of mass destruction, the ability to deliver those weapons, or the intentions to do so,” Kucinich said.

Kucinich first gained national attention in 1977 when, at the age of 31, he was elected mayor of Cleveland. Two years later, after the city slipped into default, Kucinich was defeated for re-election and sent into political exile. He worked as a radio talk show host, college teacher, consultant and TV reporter before making a political comeback in 1994 when elected to the Ohio Senate. In 1996, he won a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

HEADS PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS
For the past two years, he has headed the 56-member House Progressive Caucus, where he has waged fights on health care, education and the environment.

“Some people see Dennis Kucinich as an articulate and staunchly liberal voice who is extremely good at making his point and getting attention,” said a senior House Democratic leadership aide. “Others see him as a pain who constantly tries to push Democrats further to the left.” Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Illinois is a House deputy Democratic whip, a member of Kucinich’s anti-war coalition and an admirer of the three-term lawmaker.

“What I really appreciate is that Dennis has moved this agenda forward, he provides us with needed information, and has been constantly optimistic,” said Schakowsky. Kucinich said his constituents – “they include a lot of veterans, working people, very patriotic people” – know where he stands and that his telephone calls from them have run 10-to-1 against a war with Iraq.

**Though national polls show the public somewhat split, Kucinich predicted that once people begin asking more questions, opposition will mount. Long before such Democratic heavyweights as former Vice President Al Gore, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts questioned Bush’s policy on Iraq, Kucinich was challenging the president. **

In a speech in Los Angeles in February entitled, “A Prayer for America,” Kucinich went after Bush for what his sees as overly aggressive post-Sept. 11 policies.“Let us work to make nonviolence an organizing principle of our own society,” Kucinich said then. “Let us recommit ourselves to the slow and painstaking work of statecraft, which sees peace, not war, as inevitable.”

The speech prompted suggestions in some liberal circles that Kucinich buck the party establishment and seek the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination. Kucinich brushes off such talk, saying only: “I’m just going to keep on speaking out. Wherever it leads, it leads.” For now, Kucinich is focusing on Iraq. He fears that like Vietnam, a U.S. invasion of Baghdad could mushroom into a lengthy and divisive war with high casualties.“Our men and women as well as innocent civilians – that is what I’m concerned about,” Kucinich said.

For now, Kucinich is focusing on Iraq. He fears that like Vietnam, a U.S. invasion of Baghdad could mushroom into a lengthy and divisive war with high casualties."Our men and women as well as innocent civilians -- that is what I'm concerned about," Kucinich said.

Interesting, another US Congressman espousing un-American views. Another candiate for Guantanomo bay? :)

It seems Liebermans support for war is also waning which is good news for the democrats since they now need a united front to challenge the Republicans at the next Presidential elections. I believe in the coming weeks the majority of democrats will unite in their rejection of the Bush doctrine which advocates a unilateral attack on Iraq.

Lieberman adjusts his war views](http://www.newhavenregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6823370&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=7573&rfi=6) Newhaven Register 26 Jan 03

CONCORD, N.H. — Gerri Lipman King would love to vote for Joe Lieberman in New Hampshire’s Democratic presidential primary. She agrees with him on so many issues — except the one most important to her: the war with Iraq.

Standing at the door of Caffenio Coffee Shop last Thursday, King shook Lieberman’s hand as he worked the crowd, and she talked about her New Britain, Conn., roots. But on Monday she’ll host a small gathering in her Concord home for former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, one of Lieberman’s rivals in the race for the Democratic nomination for president. “I’m very much against the war,” said King, who hasn’t decided who to back in next year’s primary. “I’m shocked and surprised (Lieberman) supported it … I would like very much to support him. But this war thing is a huge issue.”

**Indeed, here and across the country, the impending war against Iraq is a big issue. And as Lieberman launches his bid for the Democratic presidential nod, he may find that his hawkish stance doesn’t sit so well with many of his more liberal party members — the very people who will go to the polls in a primary. **A year ago, in a major policy address at Georgetown University, Lieberman was unequivocal. Saying the war on terrorism will not be over until Saddam Hussein is removed from Iraq, he said the United States must be prepared to do exactly that.

“The unique threat to American security by Saddam Hussein’s regime is so real, grave and imminent that even if no other nation were to stand with us, we must be prepared to act alone, and we are fully capable of doing so,” he said at the time.Later in the year, he became one of the first Democrats to come out in strong support of the resolution giving President Bush authority to wage war on Iraq.

But last week, in the face of polls showing waning American support for unilateral action by the United States and a growing unease with Bush’s Iraq policy, Lieberman began to take the edge off his more strident stands. When one New Hampshire voter asked him about his pro-war feelings, he first said he “would certainly not preclude intervening in Iraq without (U.N.) National Security Council support.” But moments later said he “would prefer to go in with as broad a coalition as you can. I would never go in alone.”

And later, at a house party in Salem when another voter asked him about the war, he stressed that Bush hasn’t adequately made the case for war and must do a better job of sharing intelligence information with the public. At the same time, however, he said that liberation of Iraq has been “a long-held position of mine” and is still necessary.

Other Democrats in the presidential race, including Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and John Edwards of North Carolina also voted to give Bush authority to go to war. But they also are sounding words of caution. “Mr. President, do not rush to war,” said Kerry late last week in a speech, also at Georgetown.

And both Lieberman and Kerry used the exact same quote to describe their sentiments saying that "you don’t go to war because you want to, you go to war because you have to."Dean, who was also campaigning for president in New Hampshire last week, called them all “Bush-lite.” Democrats, he said, won’t win the election “if we keep nominating people who will say anything to get elected. They (his Democratic competitors) voted yes on Iraq and are now busy telling you they’re against the war. … We’re not going to beat George Bush with Bush-lite.”

And it seems many Democrats in the Granite State agree.Maureen DiOrio cornered Lieberman in Concord, blocking his exit as she pleaded with him to “reconsider” his vote on the war. “I would vote for him in a second if I knew his stance on the war was different,” she said. "But I can’t vote for him."Twenty-two year old Luc Schuster, also of Concord, traveled to Washington last weekend to join the anti-war protests. “Senator Lieberman stands for war, we have to find an alternative to war,” he said, adding that he would favor someone like Dean over Lieberman. In fact, the country seems to be shifting in that direction.

A Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted Jan. 16-20, found that 46 percent of those surveyed disapprove with the way Bush is handling Iraq — up from 37 percent last month. Support for taking action against Saddam Hussein has dropped from a high of 71 percent last January to 57 percent. And 58 percent want Bush to present more evidence showing why military force should be used.

Frank Garafalo met Lieberman at the gathering at his brother Mike’s house in Salem. He voted for Al Gore and Joe Lieberman in 2000, but right now he’s uncommitted and the war is an issue he’ll consider as he makes his choice.“I hope they let the U.N. inspectors do more and they build a coalition,” he said as he waited for Lieberman to arrive. “I’m not in favor of going it alone.”

“To run on an anti-war sentiment is probably a pretty good strategy within the Democratic electorate here,” said Andy Smith, director of the University of New Hampshire’s Survey Center. “The Democratic electorate up here is really quite liberal in the Democratic primary.” Smith, a politics professor, said an exit poll after the 2000 primary showed that 54 percent of Democrats who voted considered themselves “liberal.” That’s up from just 29 percent in the 1984 primary. Still, with the primary a year away, Smith said it is too early to know what kind of an issue the war will be then."It all depends on what happens. If the war is going very well and things are somewhat stable, you don’t want to be seen as anti-war," he said. “But if we don’t do well, the anti-war note will be good. Right now it’s too early to say.”

Other Democrats argue that Lieberman’s pro-war stand will make him a more attractive candidate because Democrats want to choose a winner — and he would best compete against Bush on foreign policy issues. “Democrats have to offer a credible alternative,” said former New Hampshire Democratic state chairman Joe Keefe. Lieberman “may be a good person to make that case.”

Lieberman doesn’t apologize for his Iraq views, and dismisses Dean’s criticism of him as “Bush-lite.” “It’s a little early for us to begin attacking one another. There’s a better way to have this debate,” said Lieberman before repeating the vow he made when he announced his candidacy in Stamford two weeks ago. “I’m an independent Democrat. I’m not going to hesitate to disagree with my friends or agree with my opponents.”

I just love you guys quoting Dennis Kucinich!

I know Dennis "the menace" very well, as he was the youngest mayor of Cleveland. He is one of the flakiest politicians to ever come on the scene short of Jerry "moonbeam" Brown from California!

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:confused: What makes him so flaky, OhioGuy?

OG, Just because Kucinich is a strong advocate for a diplomatic solution to the Iraq issue doesnt mean that hes a flaky politician. Besides the vast majority of Democratic members of Congress also oppose war.

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Oh please stop, I am rolling on the floor laughing so hard it hurts!

OG, Careful you dont wet yourself.. :D

No, really, i want to know what makes him a “flaky” politician. i am afraid i don’t know much about American politicians so honestly confused here. :confused:

Anyone?

Oh stop,

Please stop,

It hurts so bad..........

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ouch, oh that hurts,

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As too the Jordainian president has said ..’ It will take a miracle for there not to be a war’

OG: Yea please explain :confused:

Dai Sista, Sadly i guess this is what makes him a flaky politician: http://www.house.gov/kucinich/press/pr-020919-kucinichstatement.htm

You guys have NO idea, none!

Nadia, I will send you a PM and explain, but I KNOW this guy and to find Pakistani's quoting the "Boy Mayor" of Cleveland is just utterly laughable.

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Al Sharpton runs for President, Gary Hart is considering it, and Dennis the Menace rises from the ashes and becomes a leader of the anti-war movement. Oh, you guys just crack me up........

While i wait for the PM, i think i will just humbly add that most of my political lobbying deals with Canada and the UK, so i do not know much about Dennis Kucinich's public/private life; in the little that i have read of/about him thus far, i have found NOTHING dishonorable. Plain speak - it takes guts to raise your head within this war-mongering climate and vocalize what many may perceive of as "anti-patriotic" sentiments. He and other (Cdn. and British) politicians that have done so, have earned my respect. The statement of his that i linked to, from the House of Reps., in fact raises my opinion of him considerably. (At this point you can start rolling on the floor, OG).