Democracy in Pakistan....what are you thoughts.

Society Pakistan & World Affairs
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
how do you get rif of miltary goverment if people dont like?
this is going ot happen again sooner or later. you are going to goback to
democracy this cycle will continue .
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I am fed up of hearing high sound words like "democracy", "secularism", "culture". Most people do not understand what it means. But the more dangerous are the pseudo intellectuals, particularly those having access to the media.
The principles of democracy are enshrined in Islamic sytem of governance, the method we have so far followed is British. We have produced ruthless dictators by following the so-called democratic process. What Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif and Benazir did is not a secret, yet the so called intellectuals crave for this exploitive system.
Secularism is totally a Godless concept. The Islamic system has effective provisions to look after the minorities and people of other faiths. The facade of secularism has been exposed in India, which is being wooed by the west as the largest democracy.
Now about culture. In the wake of the destruction of Buddha Statues there has been a lot of non-sense written and said about 'culture'. If our past 'culture' is so important, then we should go back to the caves. And if preserving statues is part of our culture, then the Arabs should go back and claim their 'heritage' from 'Lat' and 'Uzza", two of the famed statues of pagan Arabs.
Let us not ride with the west and stop this non-sense.

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*Originally posted by tshombe39: *

I am fed up of hearing high sound words like "democracy", "secularism", "culture". Most people do not understand what it means. But the more dangerous are the pseudo intellectuals, particularly those having access to the media.

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You tell them! And anyone who disagrees: Off with his head as said the Queen of Hearts. Gee, really 2000 year old defaced statues by the Great destroyer of Statues himself, and people make it as if heritage of mankind was destroyed! Sheesh, no sense of proportion!

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Re: Democracy Crap

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*Originally posted by tshombe39: *

Salaams

Democracy in Greek is from two words ‘demos’ and ‘cratis’ meaning humans rule. Democracy in Latin means demoscracia meaning humans rule.....

And Allah says 'the rule is for none but Allah'

'And rule by them by what Allah has revealed'
'whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed is a kafir (disbeliever)...dhalim (oppressor)..... fasiq (evil doer)'QUran 5 44, 45 and 47

So from the definition of democracy it contradicts what islam says fundamentally.
To recap democracy means man rules and Islam means Allah rules.

Democracy means weak limited humans who don’t know right and wrong rules and
Islam means an unlimited creator who knows creation better than creation knows itself, rules

Democracy means the rich people subjugate the poor and Islam means we all submit to Allah whether rich or poor.

Infact one western intellectual said "the golden rule of democracy is: those who own the gold make the rules".

Thats why we see only the rich being able to run for elections and seek power.
So we find Al Gore and George W Bush are both from very rich families. We find that there are only really two political parties in USA and when a third candidate wanted to run he had to be a billionaire (remember Ross Perot) in order to do so.

We find the same situation in UK where we find again the rich running the country so we find big businesses bribing labour of conservative parties..... yeah and you guys thought Pakistan was bad.

So Bernie Eccleston (owner of Formula One) gives one million pounds to labour so that when labour legislates and removes all advertising of cigarettes from sports labour conveniently allows FORMULA ONE (remember they gave one million pounds) not to remove the adverts for cigarettes.

Microsoft gives millions of dollars to USA candidates so as to help legislate in his favour (what u guys think, they give this money out of charity????)

We find Nawaz Sharif coming to power building roads to connect his businesses and Shahbaz making millions in the form of 'cuts'. You know the Murree Roads? Benazir Bhutto she gives a 30% quota to the 'jiyalas' in getting jobs of Karachi.
Corruption is bred from democracy.....Nawabzada hookah made millios and let us not mention Mr. 10% who made it to Mr.25%.
When humans make laws they inevitably make laws that benefit themselves and thus misery and tyranny upon others.... lets not be fooled. So far the Democracy in Pakistan has brought the corrupt to power to further exploit the poor.

Frank Parkin says "A political system which guarantees constitutional rights for groups to organise in defense of their interests is almost bound to favour the privileged at the expense of the unprivileged"

Inshallah may Allah help us establish the khilafah to truly implement justice.

I have taken the liberty to reproduce some details from another collegue.
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Its obvious you dont understand my point... Please read what I wrote prior to this.. For your sake and mine, im going to break this down a little.
You say only God rule, what does that mean? Does that mean that God will come down to earth and sit on a big throne and rule over us? Ofcourse not...
So obviously, man has to rule, keeping the laws that god commanded in mind.
All of Gods "rule" HAS TO APPLIED BY MANKIND.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE FORGETING THAT GOD IS OUR ULTIMATE RULER... So just because MEN form a Ddemocracy, does not mean that god is ignored. Infact, it is only through rule of the comman citizens that Gods supremacy will be upheld.
You logic makes no sense, YOU make decisions for yourself, ARE YOU QUESTIONING THE SUPREMACY OF GOD? I assume you pray god leads you on the right path, AND THEN MAKE THE DECISION YOU THINK WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH GODS WILL... What makes you think that a Democratic govt that makes decisions will not do the same as you do?
As for the Calipha, PLEASE READ MY PRIOR POST. God will do many things inshallah, but I do not think there could ever be another Calipha.
No one will agree on who it should be, and all that will happen is that the Islamic world will become even more polarized then before.
And assuming there is a Calipha, I suppose it would have to be through a vote. This vote itself would be an example of Democracy, so in finding the Calipha, you are going to be throwing yourself back into the original dilema.