Every leader in Pakistan has spoken about how they aspire to implement true democracy but all we will ever get is decisions made between the elite and nothing else. There is no such thing as true democracy as democracy means people power and no nation even the creators of democracy would implement it truely but just partially to give people as sense that their opinions actually matter when in reality legisllation and opinions only come from those who form the elite in Pakistan or anywhere else.
What do the guppies think of democracy in Pakistan???
Re: Democracy in Pakistan....what are you thoughts.
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*Originally posted by s_H_e_I_k_H: *
Every leader in Pakistan has spoken about how they aspire to implement true democracy but all we will ever get is decisions made between the elite and nothing else. There is no such thing as true democracy as democracy means people power and no nation even the creators of democracy would implement it truely but just partially to give people as sense that their opinions actually matter when in reality legisllation and opinions only come from those who form the elite in Pakistan or anywhere else.
What do the guppies think of democracy in Pakistan???
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Democracy will have to be led around by the powers that be until the education and literacy levels in Pakistan improve. Only then can Democracy flourish in real terms. Until the people are empowered, democracy in Pakistan will have to be guided. When people are empowered, they feel they have a control on their lives, they are no longer held hostage by the whims and fancies of their leaders.
We see in Pakistan today a lack of involvment. The only time comman people protest is when the religion is called into question, otherwise, nothing concerns them. The only people that do protest the govts policies economic and social etc, are the educated minority, the lawers, the teachers the doctors, poloticians, and the vested intrest and lobby groups.. The educated minority raises its voice because it feels it has to be involved in the country otherwise no one else will be... The Vested intrest groups do the same but only to uphold their intrests.
The comman man in Pakistan does not raise his voice because he feels powerless. He leaves the country in the hands of the govt. If they feed him he is happy, if they dont, he will try to feed himslef one way or the other. But never do we see a mass movement, large scale lobby;s that influence Pakistani leadership.
The key to Democracy in Pakistan is the empowement of the comman man. Once that happens, nothing will stand in the way of Pakistani Democracy.
DEMOCRACY IS HYPOCRACY OH! AND TO ADD IT'S ALSO TOTALY HARAM!
democracy..lets spell it
D devils
E ever
M more
O Ominious
C coz
R racing
A against each other in trying to
C catch
Y yadayada the power game
democracy is a word..mere word...it has had no role in our history nor does it seem to be having a say in our future...Intellectuals and awaam..jab tak r sleeping...nothing much is going happen...:)
Re: Democracy in Pakistan....what are you thoughts.
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*Originally posted by s_H_e_I_k_H: *
Every leader in Pakistan has spoken about how they aspire to implement true democracy but all we will ever get is decisions made between the elite and nothing else. There is no such thing as true democracy as democracy means people power and no nation even the creators of democracy would implement it truely but just partially to give people as sense that their opinions actually matter when in reality legisllation and opinions only come from those who form the elite in Pakistan or anywhere else.
What do the guppies think of democracy in Pakistan???
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Democracy! Majority, representational power – it has been dinning in our ears all this time. But it’s not the majority who defines what is right and what is wrong. What is right will be right, and what is wrong will be wrong. In the US Congress only one member (a lady) voted against American attack on Afghanistan and the remaining 400 odd voted in favour of attacking Afghanistan. What happened is now in front of us. Now do you still favour Democracy????
This foolishness of linking democracy to education level of the populace is the very reason why it hasn't succeeded in pakistan. If you can't read or write does that mean you don't have any say in your governance? Idiotic really!!
And Musharraf banning anyone without a univeristy education from running is the true democracy that he speaks of. True democracy would mean every Pakistani has power. Not only will that not happen but it is ridiculous to think that men have the ability to legislate as more often than not personal preference and bias will come in. Allah left us with his rules and guidelines on how to rule, that is what we should follow.
Chaltahai has a point, the people do no have to read and write to have an opinion on policy. The Afgans do it. People with degrees are more capable of defending positions of the people. If they do it justly, great. To have religious laws and jurisprudence is fine. There are other issues and departments to staff, though. Does Islamis politicl history go into fine detail enough to operate a modern country? This question is not rhetorical, it is sincere.
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This foolishness of linking democracy to education level of the populace is the very reason why it hasn't succeeded in pakistan. If you can't read or write does that mean you don't have any say in your governance? Idiotic really!!
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A person who cant read is obviously less knowledgeable then someone who can... When large precentage of our country cant even read the news paper, do you honestly think they will be able to make an informed decision?
Also, educated populs is a more productive populus. A more prodictive populus earns more and is more involved in such things as politics, when they no longer have to worry as much about feeding their families regularly etc etc.
An uneducated populus is also easily taken advatage of, and in a country like Pakistan, this is comman place. Politicians can buy votes or threaten to get more. An educated voter knows his rights, is more organized, and is not easily taken advatage of...
So education is very important for democracy, it can produce the leaders that will run the democracy, and will ensure that the people are organized and informed enough to defend their democratic institutions.
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Chaltahai has a point, the people do no have to read and write to have an opinion on policy. The Afgans do it. People with degrees are more capable of defending positions of the people. If they do it justly, great. To have religious laws and jurisprudence is fine. There are other issues and departments to staff, though. Does Islamis politicl history go into fine detail enough to operate a modern country? This question is not rhetorical, it is sincere.
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Im talking about basic education, not necesarily a Phd...
And im refering to the comman people in general... Through education the become empowered, and when that happens, the people will be the defenders of democracy, not the generals...
We are in for a ride. The General is at the wheels. How this turns out will be start becoming clear in a few years. There is very little anyone can do anything about it.
We can just hope and pray…
Im used to that in the case of Pakistan:)
Our govt is like our cricket team:rolleyes:
how do you get rif of miltary goverment if people dont like?
this is going ot happen again sooner or later. you are going to goback to
democracy this cycle will continue .
Najoomi rvikz, can you tell me what the weather will be like in Rome in 15 days time.
Many Thanks.
This notion of educated masses making informed decisions over uneducated masses is a wrong one. This is simply a trick of the "Dictators" to think they know what's godd for an average person. And what they know is repression of social and political freedoms. This is what a representative democracy cancels out. Electing those who can best push through your interests.
Cuba is 90% literage but a basketcase economy and repressive politically. Soviet bloc was over 90% literate.
Look to your east...political parties get voters by identifying the party logos. Electronic voting machines and voting boxes contain image based choices that even uneducated voters can make choices.
I am sure many political parties would like the idea of having a photograph on the ballot paper. Forget the policies, a candidate that looks-like Salma Hayek will get my vote. If elected, the large billboards at every chowk will at least be pleasing to the eye.
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This notion of educated masses making informed decisions over uneducated masses is a wrong one. This is simply a trick of the "Dictators" to think they know what's godd for an average person. And what they know is repression of social and political freedoms. This is what a representative democracy cancels out. Electing those who can best push through your interests.
Cuba is 90% literage but a basketcase economy and repressive politically. Soviet bloc was over 90% literate.
Look to your east...political parties get voters by identifying the party logos. Electronic voting machines and voting boxes contain image based choices that even uneducated voters can make choices.
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hey chalti hai code name :venimous indian cobra:
u dont know sh** about democracy so dont teach us any thing .........
if in a country a vote is sold for 1000 rupees or other gains whether identifying logos or not is useless..... well i have no need to give u explanations .....it was just by a sad twist of fate I thought we could have a civilised conversation. but then again u disapoint me.
any thing comming out from ur poisioness mind here is not for the good of pakistan or our society it must be because of other reasons that ram and sita have put u there for.
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hey chalti hai code name :venimous indian cobra:
u dont know sh** about democracy so dont teach us any thing .........
if in a country a vote is sold for 1000 rupees or other gains whether identifying logos or not is useless..... well i have no need to give u explanations .....it was just by a sad twist of fate I thought we could have a civilised conversation. but then again u disapoint me.
any thing comming out from ur poisioness mind here is not for the good of pakistan or our society it must be because of other reasons that ram and sita have put u there for.
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Hey it's Poo-Tang! If you know you are going to froth like a rabid dog, wear a bib. It's simple common courtesy, lil pooty!
How do you know that i don't know sh** about democracy? Take the foot out of your mouth and stick it up your a$$ before I place mine virtually offcourse. :)
And Musharraf banning anyone without a univeristy education from running is the true democracy that he speaks of.
Sheikh, from your posts, I already know where you're going with this, so i'm not bothering to answer your main question here.
But I will comment on this. If you're opposed to this, then please offer an explanation as to how you expect illiterate and uncultured folks to run the government. Would you expect a person who didn't even pass matric to operate on you? NO. At least I hope not. Likewise, running a complex government requires education.
You can refer back to the Rasul , and the caliphs and stuff if you want. But the fact remains that the society was pretty small at time time, and the changes the Prophet was bringing to society corresponds in no way
to the agenda of matric-failed waderas and chaudris and khans of Pakistan!
The education requirement may not bring in "good" people, but it sure will bring in people who know what they're doing.
The requirment of having a degree to run for office will force other wouldbe politicians to get a degree... Majority that cant run now, will probabaly be able to run the next time around. This will work out for the better.