Delaying having kids after marriage for few years?

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Re: Delaying having kids after marriage for few years?

@PakWoman

Okay first, enough of the personal attacks! Let’s keep it civilized.

You know what, I hate it when people start comparing extremes to prove their invalid points. UK has a population growth of 0.7 and other countries like Ireland and France also have a considerably high growth rate. Pakistan’s population growth rate has also constantly decreased from 1960 onwards till 2010 and it’s a 60 yr old country. And let’s not forget, these very countries are also at the top of the list when it comes to polluting the environment. The population-control schemes put the blame for climate change on the poorest people in the global South and East- those least responsible for the problem in the first place. What is needed are strategies for building stronger links and collaboration with movements for climate justice in these regions - not draw up plans to reduce their numbers.

Anyway, the point in discussion was, ‘population control as the solution to poverty’.
My stand is that population theories have been advanced to explain the existence of poverty, hunger, famine etc while the real sources causing these problems have always been glossed over. Climate change is just the latest in a long list of issues that has been seized on by advocates of population control.
Population control is just a distraction from those real causes. US throwing away enough food every year to feed 200 million adults. The money used in the arms race by so many countries annually. And these are just a few. Why aren’t such issues addressed while finding solutions to poverty… all they tell you is to decrease your population rate because we are not going to stop wasting food nor spending less on weapons (Pakistan included).

Is there any country in the world with zero poverty? However Hazrat Umar (AS) did create such a state. Yes there were many other economic reforms made but zakat was a major one of them. The distribution system from the rich to the poor was so effective that at a time there was no one who needed alms. Yes, population decrease might be one strategy for this. But I don’t understand why is it so hard to accept that Zakat system was an extremely effective tool in minimizing poverty. Or do you think Islam is altogether outdated in this regard in today’s world?

Ps: waoh sorry nomi, this is wayyy off-topic now

First of all, you have failed to rebut my point about European countries. Also, there is ONE HELL OF A DIFFERENCE between a growth rate of 0.7% and 2.1%. And remember the rates are in percentages. It’s 0.7% of *Britain’s *population and 2.1% of *Pakistan’s. *Since the population of Pak is already so high, the increase is enormous. And what about the environment? You suggesting that industries be scrapped just to save the environment. Global warming only compounds the problems of population growth. Even without it, the problems would be enormous. It’s a secondary factor. And sorry lady, but Allah SWT has blessed me with a lot of things and I’m gonna use them, ozone or no ozone.

Coming to your second point, my mistake. I should have realized sooner that you were one of the people who live in Utopia. I will take your word for it that the US is throwing away food to feed 200 million adults. Is it your food they are throwing away? No, it’s theirs. They can damn well do what they want with it. It’s not their responsibility to give their left-overs to sustain huge masses of people in countries like Pakistan.

And the arms race. THe US spends almost 700 billion on defense. Why? And now read this slowly:

They can afford to and its their money so they do what they want with it.

You get that? But let me ask you, why does Pakistan spend so much money on the army? We sure as hell can’t afford that. Your ideas may sound good on paper, girl, but they doesn’t work in the real world. Pop control on the other hand works, as China has already proven.

And yeah, today economic don’t work the way they did 1500 years ago. There, I said it. Now sue me.