Delaying having kids after marriage for few years?

[PakWoman]

Re: Delaying having kids after marriage for few years?

@IceSoul

If the Chinese government went by people’s happiness, they would still be down in the dumps. The “problems” caused by this policy are negligible. The happiness of a few idiots is worth sacrificing for the greater well being of the nation. Long story short, an average person would be much poorer in China right now if they hadn’t controlled the population.

China’s population control has hardly solved that country’s growing environmental problems. Female infanticide has reached epidemic proportions. There are less earners and more pensioners. I’m sorry but they don’t seem negligible to me.

You know what, I hate people who resort to senseless comparisons once they run out of legitimate points. Let’s talk hard facts.

Germany’s Population: 81,880,000
Growth Rate: -0.3% (declining)
German GDP: 3.33 Trillion Dollars

Pakistan’s Population: 170 Million
Pakistan’s Growth Rate: 2.1%
Pakistan’s GDP: 161 Billion dollars

European countries like Germany are struggling to bolster their populations because their POPULATIONS ARE DECREASING AND/OR THE WORKFORCE IS DECREASING!

Do you get it? Germany wouldn’t be trying to increase it’s population if it had 170 million people and a GDP of just 161 Billion. Jeez, you are thick.

Okay first, enough of the personal attacks! Let’s keep it civilized.

You know what, I hate it when people start comparing extremes to prove their invalid points. UK has a population growth of 0.7 and other countries like Ireland and France also have a considerably high growth rate. Pakistan’s population growth rate has also constantly decreased from 1960 onwards till 2010 and it’s a 60 yr old country. And let’s not forget, these very countries are also at the top of the list when it comes to polluting the environment. The population-control schemes put the blame for climate change on the poorest people in the global South and East- those least responsible for the problem in the first place. What is needed are strategies for building stronger links and collaboration with movements for climate justice in these regions - not draw up plans to reduce their numbers.

Anyway, the point in discussion was, ‘population control as the solution to poverty’.
My stand is that population theories have been advanced to explain the existence of poverty, hunger, famine etc while the real sources causing these problems have always been glossed over. Climate change is just the latest in a long list of issues that has been seized on by advocates of population control.
Population control is just a distraction from those real causes. US throwing away enough food every year to feed 200 million adults. The money used in the arms race by so many countries annually. And these are just a few. Why aren’t such issues addressed while finding solutions to poverty… all they tell you is to decrease your population rate because we are not going to stop wasting food nor spending less on weapons (Pakistan included).

Is there any country in the world with zero poverty? However Hazrat Umar (AS) did create such a state. Yes there were many other economic reforms made but zakat was a major one of them. The distribution system from the rich to the poor was so effective that at a time there was no one who needed alms. Yes, population decrease might be one strategy for this. But I don’t understand why is it so hard to accept that Zakat system was an extremely effective tool in minimizing poverty. Or do you think Islam is altogether outdated in this regard in today’s world?

Ps: waoh sorry nomi, this is wayyy off-topic now