Dejected, depressed, broken...

There’s this guy at work, and I use to quite like him but today he kept calling me terrorist because I recently went back home to visit my gran and he keeps saying I went back to join some terrorist organisation he calls the “brotherhood”, it started as a joke and I laughed it off but then he started getting serious…

…He started talking about the Afghan police who shot them British soldiers recently and then he said everyone back there in the Muzlum World was a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser…

…So I told him he was brainwashed by the biased/fascist media like the Daily Express, and that I’ve got relatives in the Muzlum World who are certainly not terrorist, I told him we Muslims have got as much reason to hate terrorists as anyone else because we’re just as much their target as non-Muslims and that more Muslims have been the victims of suicide bombings than anyone else, I told him 99.99% of Muslims condemn terrorism and the ones who do turn to terrorism don’t do so because they hate the West or because they believe killing innocents for the sake of it will give them virgins but because they oppose the western goverments foreign policies (not that that justifies terrorism), he didn’t seem to undertand any of that, it was like talking to a brick wall, he’s quite gormless…

He said British Muslumz condemning terrorism doesn’t mean much because the terrorists have sleeper cells in villages in the Muzlum world and over here who lie to cover up their true identities.

There’s a Indian Malayali Christian guy at work and he joined in on the Muslim bashing saying Muslims have too many babies (reiterating what an MP recently said about Muslims breeding 10 times more than anyone else, and there being a danger of them becoming the majority).

On the one hand these people expect us to be loyal and patriotic towards this country and when we try and integrate they themselves push us away, I can understand how young Muslims lads who are a bit naive can be attracted to pseudo-Islamic hate cults in the face of all this hatred (not that it justifies it, that’s also another evil)…

I feel so broken, so dejected, so depressed… I’ve been wanting to cry all day, I’m a sensitive guy and stuff like this really gets to me, I’ve been feeling down ever since he said those things… I’d move back to Pakistan for good and set up a shop or something just to make ends meet but it’s getting bombed over there aswell so where does one turn? There are more nice people in this country still, just today a pleasent old white gentleman on the bus asked my opnion on the troops in Afghanistan, I couldn’t talk long because I had reached my bus stop but he gave me positive vibes, he wanted to make conversation but the negative ones just make it unbearable, they drain all the positive energy out of you, they make your life so miserable… Life is so unfair, why do we have to answer for events that are totally beyond our control? I didn’t use to be much into religion and I’d rather not have anything to do with politics I’m too young but all this hostility has made me more conscious of my religious identity, religion is the only thing which gives me solace in the face of so much hatred..

Vent over, GS is my shrink, if I didn’t have this outlet for my feelings I’d suffocate and die, muchos gracias for listening.

seems like harassment at your work place.............report the guy to your superiors!

Thanks for the advice, I could do that but a disciplinary will just reinforce his views against Muslims and Islam. One of the reasons some people in this country are drawn to the BNP is because they don't like the anti-racism laws.
It would also make life working with him in the future quite uncomfortable, and his partner (who also works with us) is a nice woman and quite friendly with me so I don't want to upset her.

I guess the best I can do is just laugh it off and counter his bigoted views in a civil manner.

People like him would never have the guts to go up to the arseholes (bad boys) who actually condone terrorism (because they consider it cool) but would rather come to meek people like me to vent the frstration, anger and venom newspapers like the Daily Express and the Sun have filled them with.

I guess you can't blame people like him after so much incitement to hate from the far-right newspapers (it's human nature, brainwashed the same way Muslim extremists are brainwashed) and we're also to blame for giving the rabble rouser newspapers in this country the chance to malign us by not doing enough to reject and renounce the minority extremist elements within our community.

thats quite a turnaround from your arse-kissing white this and white that. Some would say its a well deserved reality check for you.

I'd advise you to say you're Indian and invite him out for a beer. Who knows, it might even work.

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There are people you can reason with and there are those you can't. He seems like one you can not, he is not interested in a discussion but just bashing. So your options are to just make fun of him, get him even more mad just rattle his cage and get him more worked up, he would either not like it and stop or being so mad will affect his work.

Or the best is to excuse yourself from these interactions. Tell him you really are not interested in political and religious discussions. If he continues after that report him. If he gets disciplined or fired and gets further agitated, it's his problem not yours.

I had one such person I ran into at work , just saying lame racist crap, started joking around first and then it just kept getting worse, I told him in frontof a lot of ppl that I don't appreciate it and have asked him to stop previously and am formally putting him on notice to stop right now or I will
have to do something about it, he mimicked me thinking I was not serious, to which I said okay don't plead ignorance later.

He sorted himself out very quickly, probably hated my guts, but I was there to have a career, earn a living etc not to be everyone's best pal.

The guy is obviously a pig head and untill you show him some balls, he won't understand. The least you can do is report him.

humhaipakistani, I don't lick white arse, I'm not a coconut, I consider myself British but I'm also very very proud of my Pakistani heritage and I try and be a devout Muslim.

If indentifying as British is arselicking to you then so be it, hum iss mulk ka khaatey hain, peete hain, we utilise all the perks this benefit state gives us and if we still identify as just Paki after that then it's ungreatfulness...

I'd never say I am Indian because my conscience doesn't let me compromise on my identity, beliefs, views, opinions etc.

I know I've bashed Paki yobs in the past because they deserve it, I've not got an inferiority complex but they give us all a bad name, I respect and love the Pakis who are a credit to Pakistan and Islam and earn peoples respect.

I hate all fcuked up people whether it's xenophobic white people, Paki yobs, Al-Muhajiroun, BNP, EDL or the Daily Express.

And FYI I have more nicer white people working with me than bad, he's a bad apple just like with every etnicity.

White people are still the most level headed and least xenophobic compared to the other ethnic groups I've interacted with including our fellow our fellow Desis (Indians), racism hurts the most when it's from an Apna but the Apne are the most bigoted and racist..

X2 you're right I should report him. That's my problem I guess I just want to be everyones best pal, I have an habit of returning hostility with lurve and most of the time I've even been able to get BNP supporters to renounce their ways but I guess he's of the minority who are not simply ignorant but plain Islamaphobic.

Iconoclast I could probably beat him to a pulp. He's those gormless, dopey and slow types but I've been tolerating him simply because we've got a bad enough reputation as it is, I'll see how he goes tommorrow and I'll report him if he steps out of line.

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Report? Record him so it's not just a case of your word against his.

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Thanks, good idea, I’ll have my mobile phone at the ready. :smiley: :k:

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Or next time he calls you a terrorist just tell him yeah I really terrorized yo mamma with my Biological weapon of mass destruction last night...

What's he gonna do? Report you?

and tell this guy, if you think we have too many babies now, wait till you go and get your kids DNA tested...

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Indian Malayali Christian guy...!!!... generally they are very pragmatic and sensible people..............I have my guys belonging to this community.I do not know on what context he made such remarks.......................

But seriously,I wonder how people get in to such silly talks!!!

:eek: :rotfl:

But yeah, record him and report him!

Yeah had a similar incident at work.

So the guy drives the shuttle in the morning and after work to the parking lot because at the main building there are not enough parking spaces.

Anyhow, we were having a conversation about "Arab/Eastern culture" and he said "Do they oppress women--Are they treated lower?" and "Your allowed to marry 4 wives"etc etc. I told him its all misinformation. If you really want to know about it, you have to talk to the right people and that culture and religion are always mixed up, when they are two separate things.

Unfortunately, when the fort hood incident happened and I go to work the next morning he goes "are you carrying any guns? he said jokingly ...So offensive! I just looked at him and walked away.

These gorays are too brainwashed and sadly they wont change their thinking about us. When these incidents do take place (unfortunately by muslims) then it affects the rest of us.

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What muslims need to do, and since you guys have been personally affected by such racism you should think about this, is get more involved in educational events for non-muslims. Islam 101 is a great learning module that you can hold in a public forum to inform people about Islam and clear misconceptions. We've done it a number of times here, and it has been very well received.

You can invite these people to these events.

Any such harassment at work, should be reported. Some places have laws against tape-recording, so be careful. But if you can, tape record it, and send it to your human resources department.

They'll straighten out fast enough once their job is on the line.

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record the video...put it on youtube. send it to all your friends.

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Noshwerwan, dude you don’t argue with such people, you either report such people, ignore or give them a good tight slap behind their head.

Why did you bother arguing with such an ar**? Why did you get upset, depressed & broken? Be a man and stand up, crying or getting depress won’t solve the problem ! You will get bullied like this.

You should’ve asked him simple questions i.e. what are UK forces doing in Afghanistan? Why is media so anti-islam etc etc.

It’s better not to argue with such people but if you do start, then don’t back off. Stick to your opinion, no need to give up or feel ‘sad’.

IF i were you, i would ignore such ar** first, if he/she continue to harrass me then i would give last warning or report them off and if it still continue’s then i would simply give him one under his ear ! He called you a terrorist? :eek: Yet you did nothing? :hayaa:. Wake up dude ! Change your attitude or otherwise such morons will always bully you.

He's back to his normal self now so I didn't need to do anything.

He was being cordial again, I'm quite good friends with his wife and she rang him yesterday and wanted to speak to me so he came and called me so that I can chat to her.

The reason it hurt so much was because I've known him and his girl for so long and he's normally a vry decent guy.

I guess the lad was just brainwashed, he's not bad at heart, just the news/media filling people with venom against all Muslims, the same way terrorists brainwash ppl that every Kafir (non-Muslim) is our enemy..

I guess most ppl who hate whether its xenophobic white people or terrorist Muslim people do so only because they think the other side hates them, no one is inherently evil.

Even the Indian guy was being nice today, he said I was his brother, aaww I was so touched but he did say it's a good job I didn't stay in Pakistan anylonger or the taliban would have brainwashed me, that bit pissed me off a bit coz I dont like ppl liftin fingers at Pak but I guess he was only jokin.

Alhhamdulillah it's been a good day 2day, the day I started this thread was miserable, everyone kept saying all the wrong things, but today I felt all bubbly as usual.

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look dude, whether they are being nice today or not, u need to keep a record of what they said when, because down the road if they decide to be tools, then you have a whole history documented. put a note with datestamp on what happened, and keep it.

ditto!