defininition of a muslim?

With so many people declaring others non-muslims, i thought lets define wot constitues as being a muslim. It is a common practice to produce a category definition and then judge items against that definition to decide whether they belong in a perticular category or not. So before we go deciding who is a muslim or not, there needs to be a comprehensive, non-variable definition of a muslim.

So what, according to you, is the definition of a muslim?

some points to keep in mind:

  • is your definition the same in every era or can it be changed when different circumstances arise
  • is it the same definition that was used in the Holy Prophet’s(saw) time
    *]did the Holy Prophet(saw) or his companions, at any time, feel the need to change the definition of a muslim
    Please spare us of all the usuall bashing that starts in most threads. The question is not who is a muslim or who is not. I am asking you to define what constitutes as being a muslim. Please dont start naming sects and declaring them muslim or non-muslim. If you find that too hard to do, then its better that you dont reply.

Re: defininition of a muslim?

The one who say Shahada{I declare that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad(SAW) is his (final and last ) Messenger.} is a Muslim. SIMPLE

Re: defininition of a muslim?

It was different in the past....but after the coming of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) it cannot be changed.

Yes.

Your actual question is unclear.However, as and when characteristics of a muslim were being revealed by Allah or explained by the Prophet(SAW), the meaning was being clarified but not changed.

Re: defininition of a muslim?

Not really.

It is not sufficient to simply believe in the Kalima in order to be a Muslim. The Nation of Islam (NOI), Rashad Khalifa's Submittors, Qadianis, also believe in the Kalima. Yet, there is Ijma (consensus) on the fact that these are all Kaafir sects, despite the fact that they ALL claim to believe in the Kalima.

People have the misconception that believing in the Kalima is itself enough to be a Muslim, and they will mistakenly cite Hadith to support their claim. But these people do not understand what the Kalima really stands for. Let me explain through an analogy: when I signed a rent agreement, I had to read two pages of a document. At the end of the document, I had to sign my name after writing the words "I attest that the name above refers to me, and that I accept all the conditions in this document." The Kalima is much like this. Despite the fact that it is only one sentence, it is confirmation of all of the accepted Islaamic belief. In the analogy, the Quran and Sunnah would take the place of the two page rent document, and the Kalima would be your signature attesting to it.

A person who signs a rent document without really accepting the terms in the document is guilty of comitting perjury. Likewise, a person who simply mouths the Kalima but does not accept the terms of the Quran and Sunnah is also guilty of "perjury" against Allah. Saying the Kalima without believing in the Quran and Sunnah invalidates ones Kalima. Furthermore, much like violating one of the preconditions in the rent agreement would be illegal, so too is are there certain actions or beliefs a person can hold which are Kufr.

We all know that the Kalima is not enough to be a Muslim. Why couldn't I create a sect that recited the Kalima but encouraged drinking alcohol, eating pork, avoiding prayer, avoiding Zakaat, etc. ?

Surely, the Kalima is NOT enough to define what is or what is not a Muslim. There HAS to be more; otherwise, anyone can claim to be a Muslim and just completely destroy our faith. In fact, thats what Musaylima tried to do in the time of the Prophet, and the Prophet (s) fought him off. Musaylima created a cult that believed in the Kalima but had all these other beliefs against Islaam; the Prophet (s) REJECTED it and declared war on him. Again, proof that the Kalima is NOT enough since the Prophet (s) rejected Musaylima's cult that did say the Kalima.

What if someone believed in both the Kalima and the Articles of Faith, but such a person believed it is OK to eat pork and drink alcohol. What if a person creates a sect in which it is encouraged to drink alcohol and eat pork? Will such a person also be in the folds of Islaam? Ofcourse not!

As we can see, it is NOT sufficient to believe in the Kalima or the Articles of Faith. Indeed, there are many beliefs that take one outside the folds of Islaam. Changing the deen of Islaam is KUFR. For example, a person who said that Zakaat is wrong or un-necessary, such a person would automatically become a Kaafir.

If it were really true that to be a Muslim you simply had to believe in the Kalima, then one could errect an entire new religion and still be a Muslim so long as your tongue recites the Kalima. This would destroy all consistency in the deen of Islaam, leaving each follower to make their own Akhaam of Islaam.

Indeed, there are many things which can throw a person outside the folds of Islaam. For example, aiding the Kufaar in destroying the Muslims is considered Kufr. There are countless examples which contradict ANY claim that saying the Shahada is simply enough to be a Muslim.

Re: defininition of a muslim?

Note.nation of Islam and Qadianins have their own prophet).(they dont believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammad(SAW)).

We are not allowed to call someone kafir who say shahada with his mouth, no matter how evil the person is.

Re: defininition of a muslim?

Dude are you stupid :grumpy:

wot did i highlight in my origional post?.. i dont want to know who is a kaafir according to you. For once, do let us know who is a muslim. :smack:

Re: defininition of a muslim?

According to my beleif, a muslim is one who:

  1. believes that Allah:swt: is the only God.
  2. believes in all of the prophet (AS) sent to humanity until Prophet Muhammad:saw:
  3. believes in the finality of the prophet Muhammad:saw: and that there is no Nabi/Rasool getting appointed (not even zimmi or whatever) after him (NOTE That Rasool/Nabi getting appointed is the word so take your argument of Isa:as: return being a nullification to somewhere else)
  4. believes in all of the divine books.
  5. believes in angels
  6. believes in Day of Resurrection/Judgement
    *]believes in fate that whatever happens (good or bad), happens with the will of Allah:swt:

Re: defininition of a muslim?

There are several sections of Islam Sunni and Shia which are further divided … but on conceptual level there are three types of beleif

  1. Qaderiya
  2. Jaberiya
  3. Mix of above (Shia)

then which one is not muslim keeping No: 7 point of yours in mind

Wasalam

Re: defininition of a muslim?

[quote="khanbabax, post:34, topic:157475"]

Not really.

It is not sufficient to simply believe in the Kalima in order to be a Muslim.

Let me explain through an analogy: when I signed a rent agreement, I had to read two pages of a document. At the end of the document, I had to sign my name after writing the words "I attest that the name above refers to me, and that I accept all the conditions in this document." The Kalima is much like this. Despite the fact that it is only one sentence, it is confirmation of all of the accepted Islaamic belief. In the analogy, the Quran and Sunnah would take the place of the two page rent document, and the Kalima would be your signature attesting to it.

A person who signs a rent document without really accepting the terms in the document is guilty of comitting perjury. Likewise, a person who simply mouths the Kalima but does not accept the terms of the Quran and Sunnah is also guilty of "perjury" against Allah. Saying the Kalima without believing in the Quran and Sunnah invalidates ones Kalima. Furthermore, much like violating one of the preconditions in the rent agreement would be illegal, so too is are there certain actions or beliefs a person can hold which are Kufr.
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AOA.........

All the muslims pray and 3 methods are close hands ( followers of 2 sunni Imams) , hands on chest (Ahl-e-Hadith) and free hands (shia and followers of other 2 sunni imams) and then some other diffrences in Nimaz.......
then......
Which one follows islam/sunnah and keep agreement/contract in shapeand thus is muslim.........and which ones are not then......???????

So brother Please keep it simple
Kalima-i-shahadat ..........to be muslim
and
rest if followed ...... to be momin

Wasalam