Defining ‘strategic depth’

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Defining ‘strategic depth’
Source: DAWN.COM | Columnists | Defining ?strategic depth?

And how does it help us? We are engaged in the Great Game in Afghanistan, we are told, because ‘strategic depth’ is vital for Pakistan due to the fact that our country is very narrow at its middle and could well be cut into half by an Indian attack in force.

Strategic depth, we are further informed, will give respite to our armed forces which could withdraw into Afghanistan to then regroup and mount counter-attacks on Indian forces in Pakistan. I ask you!

I ask you for several reasons. Let us presume that the Indians are foolish enough to get distracted from educating their people, some of whom go to some of the best centres of learning in the world. Let us assume that they are idiotic enough to opt for war instead of industrialising themselves and meeting their economic growth targets which are among the highest in the world.

Let us imagine that they are cretinous enough to go to war with a nuclear-armed Pakistan and effectively put an immediate and complete end to their multi-million dollar tourism industry. Let us suppose that they lose all sense, all reason, and actually attack Pakistan and cut our country into half.

Will our army pack its bags and escape into Afghanistan? How will it disengage itself from the fighting? What route will it use, through which mountain passes? Will the Peshawar Corps gun its tanks and troop carriers and trucks and towed artillery and head into the Khyber Pass, and on to Jalalabad? Will the Karachi and Quetta Corps do likewise through the Bolan and Khojak passes?

And what happens to the Lahore and Sialkot and Multan and Gujranwala and Bahawalpur and other garrisons? What about the air force? Far more than anything else, what about the by now 180 million people of the country? What ‘strategic depth’ do our Rommels and Guderians talk about, please? What poppycock is this?

More importantly, how can Afghanistan be our ‘strategic depth’ when most Afghans hate our guts, not only the northerners, but even those who call themselves Pakhtuns?

Case in point: the absolute and repeated refusal of even the Taliban government when it was misruling Afghanistan, to accept the Durand Line as the international border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, despite the fact that it was a surrogate of Pakistan — propped into power; paid for; and helped militarily, diplomatically and politically by the Pakistani government and its ‘agencies’.

Indeed, it even refused the Commando’s interior minister, the loudmouth Gen Moinuddin Haider when he went to Kabul to ask for the extradition of Pakistani criminals being sheltered by the Taliban. We must remember that the Commando, as chief executive of the country, was pressing the Foreign Office till just a few days before 9/11 to use every effort to have the Taliban regime’ recognised by more countries!

This poppycock of ‘strategic depth’ can only be explained by our great military thinkers and strategists and geniuses: it is not for mortals like yours truly to make sense of any of it. Particularly because this nonsense can only happen after the Americans depart from Afghanistan. And what, pray, is the guarantee that they will leave when they say they will?

Why this subject at this time, you might well ask. Well I have just been reading David Sanger’s The Inheritance in which he meticulously lays out the reasons why he believes the Pakistani “dual policy” towards the Taliban exists.

On page 247 he states that when Michael McConnell, the then chief of US National Intelligence went to Pakistan in late May 2008 (three months after the elections that trounced Musharraf and his King’s Party, mark) he heard Pakistani officers make the case for the Pakistani need for having a friendly government in Kabul after the Americans departed.

When he got back to Washington McConnell “ordered up a full assessment” of the situation. ‘It did not take long … Musharraf’s record of duplicity was well known. While Kayani was a favourite of the White House, he had also been overheard — presumably on telephone intercepts — referring to one of the most brutal of the Taliban leaders, Maulvi Jalaluddin Haqqani, as a “strategic asset”. Interesting, for Kayani’s former boss, Musharraf is quoted thus in Der Spiegel:

Spiegel: “Let us talk about the role of the ISI. A short time ago, US newspapers reported that ISI has systematically supported Taliban groups. Is that true?”

Musharraf: “Intelligence always has access to other networks — this is what Americans did with KGB, this is what ISI also does. You should understand that the army is on board to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda. I have always been against the Taliban. Don’t try to lecture us about how we should handle this tactically. I will give you an example: Siraj Haqqani …”

Spiegel: “… a powerful Taliban commander who is allegedly secretly allied with the ISI.”

Musharraf: “He is the man who has influence over Baitullah Mehsud, a dangerous terrorist, the fiercest commander in South Waziristan and the murderer of Benazir Bhutto as we know today. Mehsud kidnapped our ambassador in Kabul and our intelligence used Haqqani’s influence to get him released. Now, that does not mean that Haqqani is supported by us. The intelligence service is using certain enemies against other enemies. And it is better to tackle them one by one than making them all enemies.”

Well, there they go again!

But back to ‘strategic depth’. Will the likes of Sirajuddin Haqqani, son of Jalaluddin Haqqani, help Pakistan gain this ‘depth’ in Afghanistan? Are we that gone that we need these backward yahoos to save our army?

PS By the way what about our nuclear weapons? Are they not enough to stop the Indians in their tracks? What poppycock is this ‘strategic depth’?!

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Re: Defining ‘strategic depth’

A gross oversimplification.

For example, the author of this article seems unaware how close PAF airbases are to the Indian border. An Afghanistan that is firmly under Pakistan's heel would enable airbases to be positioned sufficiently far from India to enable aircraft to operate with lower risk from Indian attack. It also enables supply infrastructure to be located further away from the front lines.

The author also easily falls into the fallacy of thinking nuclear weapons are the solution in conflict. Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is an insurance against first use by India; in addition, just like the Pakistani army, Indian forces are capable of operating in a post-nuclear battlefield.

Indeed, India is better suited for this simply through having more manpower in its army. It would have more soldiers who survive the nuclear exchange. A nuclear war is likely to still leave military forces in play that would be able to fight to secure what is left. (which will most likely still be a lot that is of value).

Re: Defining ‘strategic depth’

Written under the influence of poppy by poppycrack. There is no country in the world that will not like to have influence n any powerful player along its borders. Qouting President Roosevelt "Samoza is son ofa **, but he is our son of **". When a relationship becomes that of a loss, countries discard it, if it gives some benefit, maintain it.

Re: Defining ‘strategic depth’

look the writer wants action in nwaziristan, pakistan has in the last few weeks already agreed to it.

an estimate of 6-12 months has been given to popularise the operation amongst the population

of course a proportion of the support base for the south waziristan assault was based on the fact that the operation was against anti-pak elements and the afghan tereek were the good guys. so its going to take time to get this group of anti-american pakistanis won over for nwaziristan campaign

i feel sick about it, but thats the truth

lol i had forgotten about that! kaafi tapp chari thi un ko when mushy was referred to as 'oursongofa*****'!

Good to know that every country want influence over their neighbors - here is the little difference USA was a super power back then & even today. While Pakistan wasn't even existed in 1939 and well already cut in half after our such adventures in 1971.

Now again i think time has come to make some good decisions, and to look at the reasons why Afghan from up to down hate Pakistan, lets take this brotherly Muslim nation notion step aside and talk about the realties. The concept of strategic depth existed, because Pak Army know exactly they will be cut in half if a full conventional war started with India, our jazba of so called jihad will not work when bullets are coming in return.

As far nuclear weapons concerned, Pakistan will never fire them until they see cities like Lahore, karachi or Islamabad is falling. I don't see any reason why Pak will fire nukes if indian's just cut it half from thar desert to the afghan border. This is just junk in the middle, probably indian policy thinkers envisioned creating a type of buffer zone in the divided pak ..etc etc. It's time to take the 180 degree turn and figure out our problems according to our status, and that status doesn't make us regional power - china, india, russia & america are regional powers not Pakistan we are not even close, or as bhutto said and zardari said again we will fight for 1000 years for kashmir, yeh right my ass - it's all about water for Pakistan and for India/China/Russia/USA about strategic interests.

We was born as american backed state in 1947 and we are very much american satellite and this will continue to be in foreseeable future !

As far the author concerned, he is very much reputable and former colonel or major if i remember correctly !

In a nutshell a half a$$ article not worth commenting.

Can anyone decipher this into English?

Re: Defining ‘strategic depth’

very simple

strong ourself first socially, religiously, economically
before taking or giving PANGAS:D:

have you not heard indian views before?

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We was born as american backed state in 1947 and we are very much american satellite and this will continue to be in foreseeable future !

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this is reworded indian belief - that pakistan was born due to begging and subsequent charity of the british


in a way, it could be said, strategic depth has done its job. another superpower beatten even with pakistan going against its own unofficial army. thats depth

this is also why pakistanis should not rejoice at participating in WOT

lol, acha !

ab doctory language mein tu likhney sey rahey...

Re: Defining ‘strategic depth’

Is Firenze drunk again? He usually posts when hammered.

Oka, let me try to write something though i didnt get what are you tryng to sa.

You dont have to be a super power to look after your interests, its our fricking job to do that. If there is a poweful group operating at your birders, you would like it not to harm your interests. If haqqani is not making any trouble for Pakistan, and ourarmy is already busy with Baitullah group, then we'll ignore him. ANd if by taking to haqqani we can get our ambassador released then we'll do it. If haqqani is such a pain in Nato's back, they shud figure out a way to deal with him. We have allowed them to drone him.

The elite in Afghanistan have hated Pakistan before its birth. This hatred has not started after 1979. Most Afghans especially Pakhtuns do not accept NWFP or Balochistan as a part of Pakistan. The other ethnic groups of Afghanistan are less attached and less bothered about NWFP simply because they will lose their disproportionate influence over Afghanistan. They dont like Pakistan because they received very lttle support from them in the beginning.

I think the writer belongs to that very pro-India camp who love to glorify India and paint this very peaceful and development orientated image of it. He should be personally emailed (his email is on show for everyone) and reminded how India is not on friendly terms with any of it's neighbours. At least Pakistan has China as a friend!