If the religious right had their way, all women would be in burqas, men would be whipped for not praying, no tv, no cinema, no art or culture.
Things like banning alcohol or declaring ahmedis non-muslims are what the majority of Pakistanis feel it should be. You cant consider these demands of a small minority of religious right.
I dont think so. The banning of Alcohol and declarinf of Ahmadis as non Muslims were instigated by relgious conservatives. Infact, most rulings of this nature were at the behest of relgious conservatives.
If the people supposedly supported these things, its because the majority of Pakistanis are right wingers. Liberals would never have allowed this if they had ever had any say. Infact, today we would be a secular progressive country if it werent for the right.
Regaradless, you said that Liberals in Pakistan also impose themselves and their ideas. Where in Pakistan history do you find liberal imposing their views? The only person who was a Liberal, and actually spoke as a Liberal, with liberal progressive policies, was Mohammad Ali Jinnah. And even his liberal ideology was trashed by the new Conservative right in Pak.
How do Musharaf and Altaf fit the bill of being Fascists? They never imposed any liberal policies? Nothing changed under Musharaf, other then reform of a few Laws that were clearly UnIslamic. In most other cases, Musharaf caved to relgious pressure groups. For instance, the whole passport issue, where we apparently had passports without stating a persons religion etc.
Even the one time Musharaf did stand up to religious fanatics was during the Red Mosque debacle, and that to, only after months of the those students playing vigilante.
Essentially, these people you claim are liberal, are only liberal in their personal lives. In Pakistani politics, everyone is a conservative regardless of their personal oppinions.
See I am no political analyst so google hit it was for me also. I think its pretty straight forward what liberal fascism means.
I suppose it means Liberals who impose their beliefs on others, without compramise, and at the cost of all other beliefs.
But who in Pakistan does this apply to?
I suppose it means Liberals who impose their beliefs on others, without compramise, and at the cost of all other beliefs.
But who in Pakistan does this apply to?
see now if I quote Capital Talk then people think that I am Hamid Meer's follower, but in the same show where Ansar Abbasi talked about Liberal fascist, there is something that Haroon Rasheed said that made so much of sense.
When people who come to the power with less than 40 % of votes, try to force their beliefs on 100% of Pakistan, that is fascism.
In my mind a "Liberal Fascist" is someone who promotes:
Capitalism: creating a society where money is the biggest player and rich is the most powerful Materialism: Dedication to the collection of material things, things of monetary value. Immoralism: Making vulgarity and indecency a norm, making it widely acceptable (cool and fashionable) Feminism: Shifting the role of women, suppressing femininity and reinforcing masculinity in women. Individualism: making a society that is more focused on self-gratification, personal gains, instead of community building and social welfare.
How is NS a liberal? He is very much ultra-conservative and right wing even more so than Imran Khan. Although the blasphemy law was promulgated by Zia, NS is the one who inserted the death sentence clause in the blasphemy law in 1992 on the behest of mullahs. We are in the current mess called blasphemy law partly because of Nawaz.
How do Musharaf and Altaf fit the bill of being Fascists? They never imposed any liberal policies? Nothing changed under Musharaf, other then reform of a few Laws that were clearly UnIslamic. In most other cases, Musharaf caved to relgious pressure groups. For instance, the whole passport issue, where we apparently had passports without stating a persons religion etc.
Even the one time Musharaf did stand up to religious fanatics was during the Red Mosque debacle, and that to, only after months of the those students playing vigilante.
Essentially, these people you claim are liberal, are only liberal in their personal lives. In Pakistani politics, everyone is a conservative regardless of their personal oppinions.
For Altaf... check the toll today... 22 were dead ( as per the info i have from newspapers) in 24hours, none of them was killed in the name of religion or by any religious party...while people are being killed left, right and center, the great leader of MQM (Karachi) sits back and watch...
Mushy's liberal fascism needs no explanation... he is ten time more dangerous then Altaf... just check the deaths he caused and not to forget his dancing on the same... do i need to say more
How is NS a liberal? He is very much ultra-conservative and right wing even more so than Imran Khan. Although the blasphemy law was promulgated by Zia, NS is the one who inserted the death sentence clause in the blasphemy law in 1992 on the behest of mullahs. We are in the current mess called blasphemy law partly because of Nawaz.
if Nawaz is not liberal because of the things you stated, then there is no body more religious then Bhutto...
Imran also falls in the category of liberals but i don't think he has any political representation nor is he going to get one atleast in the upcoming elections ( no body to blame but Imran's strategies for this)
The right wing in every country has used various derogatory terms to describe liberals - liberal elites, socialist, residing in the ivory tower, unpatriotic, lacking in family values.
This is the first time I have seen the words liberal and fascist used together. Live and learn!
When people say the Liberal Fascists are worse than the crazy nutters that blow themselves up, what do you use to define this weird and obtuse term?
Isn't it just a label that has negative connotations used to describe a counterpoint to the ideas and ideologies of the "crazy nutters that blow themselves up"? Given that there is no homogeneous ideology amongst the crazy nutters, those labeled Liberal Fascists also have no single manifestation.
if Nawaz is not liberal because of the things you stated, then there is no body more religious then Bhutto...
Imran also falls in the category of liberals but i don't think he has any political representation nor is he going to get one atleast in the upcoming elections ( no body to blame but Imran's strategies for this)
NS is an opportunist. We know that deep down the Sharifs are conservative and probably even pro-jihadists even if they cunningly do not want to admit it in public. Even in Punjab, PML-N draws most of it's support from conservative-minded Punjabis. Most liberals support either PPP or Imran Khan. Look at the paindoo lawyers who garlanded a criminal. Most of them belonged to the lawyers wing of PML-N. Although I like Imran, I absolutely do not support his stance on religious extremism
For Altaf... check the toll today... 22 were dead ( as per the info i have from newspapers) in 24hours, none of them was killed in the name of religion or by any religious party...while people are being killed left, right and center, the great leader of MQM (Karachi) sits back and watch...
Mushy's liberal fascism needs no explanation... he is ten time more dangerous then Altaf... just check the deaths he caused and not to forget his dancing on the same... do i need to say more
Yeah, but Altafs party isnt killing for the sake of spreading liberal ideology, his party is killing for the sake of power.
Musharaf didnt kill anyone for liberal ideology either. The only incident I can recall is the Red Mosque incident, but even then they hesitated to do anything, until they kidnapped the Chinese and created an international scandal.
Not that Im one to resurrect dead horses, and not to say I told you all so, but an article by Hamid Mir on his use of the term “liberal fascist”. Monkey-see monkey-do, literally.
Jonah Goldberg being a somewhat esoteric neo-conservative who popularized the internet-meme “cheese eating surrender monkeys” for the French when they refused to back the Iraq invasion, and linked american progressivism (he defines himself as a classical liberal, and democrats as the fascists) via organic food and collectivism and ‘it takes a village to raise a kid’ type ads to fascism. For those in the US (or those who know how to bypass country restrictions)
