This is going to sound really retarded… but I was wondering… do dead people have the ability to see or visit each other while they’re in the grave? And is the torment of the grave (kabr ka sizza) one of the matters of the unseen or of the seen world? I think its a matter of the unseen… but whyis it that way? When they’re questoned in the grave… do they sit up… to answer?
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umm i dont know 
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I’m being serious 
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*1. **The actual meaning of the word *Qabr (grave) is that it refers to a hole in the ground wherein a dead person is buried. In a figurative sense it refers to the realm of the dead (Aalam-e-Barzakh), where the souls of the dead reside. This is so regardless of whether the limbs of a person is in one place or scattered in various places, like if a person is devoured by wild animals or sunk in the ocean and the body disintegrated or cremated as some nations do and the ashes are strewn all over.
*2. **The meaning of the word death implies that the soul of a person is separated from his body and will remain so until the Day of Qiyaamah. The soul is not extinguished, rather it is kept in an appropriate and befitting condition. When the dead body is placed in the grave, then a connection is established between the soul and the body. The soul does not have a complete bond with the body as it had on earth, however such a connection is established whereby knowledge and discernment etc. are acquired. In the Hadith wherein is mentioned that the soul returns to the body, this type of connection is meant. Hadhrat Imaam Ahmed Ibn Hambal (rahmatullahi alaihi) reports from Hadhrat Baraa bin Aazib (radhiAllaahu anhu) that they once accompanied Nabi s.a.wfor the burial of an Ansaari. When they reached the graveyard, the grave was not yet dug. Nabi s.a.w was there and we sat with him. In a lengthy Hadith Nabi s.aw spoke regarding the death of believer and a kaafir. Regarding a believer, Nabi s.a.w said, *“…until it (his soul) reaches the seven heavens, Allaah Taala says, ‘Note down the name of my servant in the `Illiyeen, and return him to the earth because I have created him there from and I will return him therein, and I will (once again) resurrect him there from a second time. Thus his soul will return into his body and two angels will come to him and sit beside him. They will ask of him, ‘Who is your Rabb?...’”
The above mentioned relationship between the body and soul will be established so that the questioning in the grave can be accomplished and the person will spend the rest of the time in peace and tranquillity or in punishment. For this relationship to be established between the soul and body, even a single cell of the body is sufficient. If these conditions (i.e. the questioning and subsequent stages) take place on even a single cell, the soul will feel the full force and effect thereof.
Hadhrat Shah Abdul Azeez (rahmatullahi alaihi) says, “`Illiyeen is a place above the seven heavens and its bottom portion extends to the Sidratul-Muntaha. Its uppermost portion is attached to the right foot of the Arsh. The souls of the righteous are taken to this place after death. This is the resting place of the souls of the very close servants of Allaah, i.e. the Ambiyaa (alaihimus salaam). The books of deeds of the general pious servants of Allaah reach this place, whereafter they (i.e. their souls) are returned to earth…Their souls also have such a relationship with the grave that if anyone of their associates (of the living) come to visit them they are aware thereof and discern their presence.” [Tafseer Azizi, Parah 30]
3. The bond between the soul and the physical body differs in the deceased. The bond that exists in the martyrs is stronger than those of the general masses. This is the reason why their bodies remain fresh for longer periods. The bond which exists for the Ambiyaa (alaihimus salaam) is even stronger and this is the reason why their blessed bodies are protected for much longer and some actions of theirs, for example, Salaat, continues even in this state.
Those conditions which transpire for the physical body in the graves, are not discernable to those on earth, because they are connected to the Aalam-e-Barzakh. Although the events continue for those in the grave, like some performing Salaat, this cannot be seen or by those who are alive, nevertheless these are taking place in another realm.
NOTE:
When the angels come to the buried deceased and makes him sit up and answer questions or when the Ambiyaa (alaihimus salaam) perform Salaat with their physical bodies, then all this occurs in Aalam-e-Barzakh. However, their actual physical bodies are seen by those on the universe, to be lying down. Just like a person may be standing, sitting or running in his dream, but a person in wakened state sitting next to him sees his body lying down. However, the difference is that the state of dreaming is an imagined, figurative one, whereas the Aalam-e-Barzakh is a real one.
The belief of the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat is completely in line with what is stated in the Qur`aan Majeed, “Allaah snatches the life of a person when the time of its death comes, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the rest for an appointed time.”
The meaning of this Aayat is that Allaah Ta`ala snatches away the soul of those who are sleeping, which means that the soul of a person is removed when he/she is asleep, but its bond with the body is still existent. Now, we know very well what occurs to that soulless body in the state of sleep. Leave alone the dreams, the physical body even executes actions. For example, the body will toss and turn, the person even speaks in the sleep, some people even walk in their sleep! Sometimes a student is even heard revising his lesson in the sleep.
The belief which is mentioned above can be likened to this, and is in conformity with this as well. The soul is removed from the physical body at the time of death and it remains in its appointed place, and yet it maintains a bond with the physical body. Some of them have such a strong bond, to the degree that some even perform Salaat. The only difference is that in the state of sleep we are unaware of what the body is doing and going through, whereas in Aalam-e-Barzakh, this discernment is not impossible.
(Dr. Mufti) Abdul Waahid
Daarul Ifta – Jaamia Madeenah – **Lahore
Shawwaal 1418
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can you plz fix that so I could read it? Thanks.
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(1) This is so regardless of whether the limbs of a person is in one place or scattered in various places, like if a person is devoured by wild animals or sunk in the ocean and the body disintegrated or cremated as some nations do and the ashes are strewn all over.
(2)When the dead body is placed in the grave, then a connection is established between the soul and the body.
Brother, you were going sort of in the right direction in (1) and then I am not sure what happened in (2)... According to (2), if the body is cremated or scattered across the far corners of the universe, then there is no connection between body and soul, right? But then how is (1) correct???
Please don't go around telling people to ask "scholars" ... the "scholars" are human beings too and what they utter is their opinion, just like what I am expressing here.
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sure what happened in (2)... Accordint to (2), if the body is cremated or scattered across the far corners of the universe, then there is no connection between body and soul, right?
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There is still a connection, read the whole thing.
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correct??? And don't go telling people to ask "scholars" ... the "scholars" are human beings too and what they utter is their opinion, just like what I am expressing here
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This is the view of not one scholar but of Sunni Islam, and of 1000s of scholars who are experts in Quran and Hadees, not of laymen like you and me.
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THE SO-CALLED PUNISHMENT IN THE GRAVE
Volumes have been written about the supposed horrible punishment in the grave. Let us observe how the Qur'an demolishes the man-made conjecture. Allah knew what games people would play.
36:51 And when the Trumpet is blown, behold, out of their disintegrated states unto their Lord they will run. (‘Ajdaath’ = Bodily remains = Graves = Disintegrated states).
36:52 They will exclaim, “Oh, woe unto us! Who has awakened us from our beds of sleep? This is what the Beneficent promised, and the Messengers spoke the truth.” ('Marqad' = Bed of sleep = Resting place. The concept of punishment in the grave is non-Qur’anic and, hence, wrong)
Then we see ‘AZAB-IL-JANNAM, ‘AZAB-IN-NAR, ‘AZAB-IL-JAHEEM, ‘AZAB-IL-HAREEQ etc in the Qur’an, but nowhere do we find ‘AZAB-IL-QABR.
Now see the fabrication. Muslim Book 004, Number 1212:
Aisha reported: The Holy Prophet (May peace be upon him) entered my house when a Jewess was with me and she was saying: Do you know that you would be put to trial in the grave? The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) trembled (on hearing this) and said: It is the Jews only who would be put to trial. Aisha said: We passed some nights and then the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) said, "It has been revealed to me, you would be put to trial in the grave." Aisha said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) seeking refuge from the torment of the grave after this."
Did you notice the inventor of this Hadith trying to cast doubt on Revelation?
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This is the view of not one scholar but of Sunni Islam, and of 1000s of scholars who are experts in Quran and Hadees, not of laymen like you and me.
If you say so...
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THE SO-CALLED PUNISHMENT IN THE GRAVE
Marnay ke baad pata chal jaye ga.
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THE SO-CALLED PUNISHMENT IN THE GRAVE
Volumes have been written about the supposed horrible punishment in the grave. Let us observe how the Qur'an demolishes the man-made conjecture. Allah knew what games people would play.
36:51 And when the Trumpet is blown, behold, out of their disintegrated states unto their Lord they will run. (‘Ajdaath’ = Bodily remains = Graves = Disintegrated states).
36:52 They will exclaim, “Oh, woe unto us! Who has awakened us from our beds of sleep? This is what the Beneficent promised, and the Messengers spoke the truth.” ('Marqad' = Bed of sleep = Resting place. The concept of punishment in the grave is non-Qur’anic and, hence, wrong)
Then we see ‘AZAB-IL-JANNAM, ‘AZAB-IN-NAR, ‘AZAB-IL-JAHEEM, ‘AZAB-IL-HAREEQ etc in the Qur’an, but nowhere do we find ‘AZAB-IL-QABR.
Now see the fabrication. Muslim Book 004, Number 1212:
Aisha reported: The Holy Prophet (May peace be upon him) entered my house when a Jewess was with me and she was saying: Do you know that you would be put to trial in the grave? The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) trembled (on hearing this) and said: It is the Jews only who would be put to trial. Aisha said: We passed some nights and then the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) said, "It has been revealed to me, you would be put to trial in the grave." Aisha said, "I heard the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) seeking refuge from the torment of the grave after this."
Did you notice the inventor of this Hadith trying to cast doubt on Revelation?
twisted, inaccurate wayyyyyyyyy off the mark.
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Marnay ke baad pata chal jaye ga.
Sure sister.
twisted, inaccurate wayyyyyyyyy off the mark.
Sure brother.
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Jazakallah! Khanbabax excellent post.