Explanation: Islam is a way of life which understand human’s natural inclinations and encourage them.
Example : Man has a natural tendency to explore (which islam support)
Arguments : In favour or against
PS1. Unbiased arguments are most appretiated
PS2. Please put forward your own views and avoid from cut n paste 
Re: Debate: Islam deen-e-fitrat
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Interesting topic, something new for a change. i doubt any human has a completely unbiased argument, especially with regards to faith.
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**Explanation: Islam is a way of life which understand human's natural inclinations and encourage them.
Example : Man has a natural tendency to explore (which islam support)**
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Sorry, i just want to know what direction you want the responses to turn towards. Do you mean --- you want to learn whether one agrees or disagrees that Islam is a way of life that encourages individuals to engage in independent thought? And whether we agree or disagree with the pros and cons of independent reasoning?
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Sorry, i just want to know what direction you want the responses to turn towards. Do you mean --- you want to learn whether one agrees or disagrees that Islam is a way of life that encourages individuals to engage in independent thought? And whether we agree or disagree with the pros and cons of independent reasoning?
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Array baba dont make it complicated.
Nature comes first then religon. The argument is "does islam encourages your natural instincts, which are not evil in nature"
It is natural for human to create somthing like painting, statue,crafts etc.
and to invent. So if a religon says that it is a deen-e-fitrat then it should not oppose them.
Array baba i wasn't trying to make it complicated. It is also natural for human beings to be selfish and naturally put their own interests before others... no religion would permit that.
If we are talking about making paintings waghera... there was a thread on this earlier. i don't see anything wrong with making drawings or paintings as long as the purpose is clear.
Code, I feel that you have already made up the conclusion befor offering a debate.
I have made no concludion, but do have my opinion.
Feel free to contribute :)
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If we are talking about making paintings waghera... there was a thread on this earlier. i don't see anything wrong with making drawings or paintings as long as the purpose is clear.
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I might have been unable to explain properly :)
Painting is just an example, (no fatwa is required :) ) Here are few more examples:
Poetry
Dance
Music
handicraft
sports(games) etc.
These traits are present in humans whatever the religon is.
How much islam encourage them to make us believe that islam is a natural religon.(deen-e-fitrat)
err #1 i dont think islam explicitly forbids poetry, handicrafts, sports.. otherwise the rich poetic traditions which includes people like Rumi would nto be there, and the fine handicrafts of the region, artistic expression in buildings, design and calligraphy.
err and same goes for sports/atheletics. Nothing that says anything against sports period.
Music is a debates issue, however, there are enough instances of the prophet himself listening to music and encouraging it that I dont think there is a real issue there.
as far as paintings of ppl or statues, lets put it in perspective..the intent was so people dont start worshipping them. I dont think that is a problem now.
let us make painting issue clear…
as far as u r not painting any human/animal shape, painting is all well and good…
if music does not include vulgar songs/dance and if it doesnt make ur mind slip into a semi-inconscious state and doesnt keep u away from Allah’s zikar then it shud also be good…
many instances have been reported on Muhammad :saw: having fun at sports with his companions…
he used to race with Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her)…
Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) used to wrestle…
archery and horse-riding have been attributed “sawb” with them too for the learner…
dance???
i dont think its in human nature…
couples dancing in public is surely not Islamic and surely not depictive of any good human morals…
Islam has a general tendency to suppress some of these fine arts and encourage some other. The issue here is not to disscuss why islam prohibit them. Whatever may the reason be, i dont have any problem.
Islam can not claim to be deen-fitrat, if it dictates us on how to express our emotions.
Ps: Dance is a form of expression of human emotions, we can not limit it to dancing couples.
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Islam has a general tendency to suppress some of these fine arts
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suppress what????
any examples????
I am talking about encouraging and discouraging. I most certainly not like to indulge in a debate of halal and haram. Islam encourage poetry, caligraghy,Litureature(to some extents), travelling, some games, Building structures, exploration.
On the other hand islam discourage Music, Acting ,Painting portraits,singing, building statues,dance etc.
If a person has a God gifted talent from first catagory then it is fine.
On the contrary if has a God gifted talent of second category then he will have a constant guilt feeling in expressing his talents. The talent is God given,not man made.I am a good poet then its ok. but if i can compose some good music then its big no. If i can do caligraghy then subhan allah, if i can stetch something which i see then astaghfarallah.
Why my foot start tapping when i listen to some good drum beats. Why i like to dance when i am happy. These things are natural. why some natural inclinations are appretiated in islam and some not.
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ppl have talents to paint....
not to paint portraits....
painting portarits is prohibited, not painting....
singing vulgar songs is prohibited, not singing itself....
same thing for dancing....
natural tendency for humans is, as even Quran confirms, to be attracted towards women and have 'fun' but its highly discouraged....
why????
cause u have to differentiate between nature and desire....