Death throes of the US Imperialism...

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and the birth pangs of a New World Order.

(Where is condilizard these days?)

What do you think? are we in a historic world changing moment where the existing world order is breaking down, in favour of a more balanced world?

With the arab spring already getting rid of many strong american allies, and several others on their way out, US already lost considerable auto-power. These nations while west friendly, are not willing to do their bidding.

Then, lately, the US (at isreal’s bidding) signed off on sanctions against not only Iran oil sector, but also those countries doing business with Iran. SO far, apart from the EU, majority of the ‘allies’ have refused. Even major european firms are defying the sanctions, and investing multi-billion dollars deals in Iran as we speak.

So with this (utterly stupid) threat of ‘either do business with Iran, or the US..’ what is the likelihood that these cash strapped nations will choose the latter? And if so, will the US then stop doing business with these nations, even at the cost of its own economy? Will they have a choice?

Certainly interesting times ahead.

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Russia, China, India, Turkey, and South Korea have already refused to meet US demands for stopping oil trade from Iran.........even Japan has backtracked on the promised cuts.........having said tht, it cud lead US to do something more stupid to exert its power.........2012 will b an interesting year!

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here is the best part - there is no longer any company that can be called an American company or Russian or Indian....they are all global comapnies playing in three equally big markets - NA, Eu & Asia.

yeah, I think the OP is right - all the noise is actually leading to a broader balance.

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Ayotollah brigade will not be in power in iran within this decade. That much is guaranteed, Good riddance I say.
plenty of room in the ocean with OBL.

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What the current proposed sanctions are going to do is to guarantee the war ... not the riddance of clerics. Sanctions and threats actually help the clerics tighten their grip on power.
However I do hope the clerics go away. It is because of their unreasonable and unnecessary support of Palestinians that Iranian population is suffering at the hands of American Zionists.

Ma Mooli:

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so, will the US then stop doing business with these nations, even at the cost of its own economy?
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If they are unsuccessful in building the coalition, as it appears to be the case, then they will back track on their words.
Iran's recent show of aggression is also to prove the point that such sanctions will result in war. This would be ironic because Americans pursued sanctions only because they wanted to avoid war. Now if sanctions guarantee the war then Americans will be falling in their own trap. American and European economies are in regression. They can not afford to start a very costly war.
So it seems to me that Americans will back down. And if they don't then they better prepare the world for war at the worst time.

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one can't be talking of arab spring and arabs getting rid of psychos like qadafi and hosni, and hopefully soon assad, and not feel that the same can't happen in Iran. That is what you will see, toppled from inside by iranians no longer willing to be living under these whack jobs

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yes, even meek japan, and south korea seem to be rejecting the sanctions. So does that mean US will stop doing business with them?

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.having said tht, it cud lead US to do something more stupid to exert its power.........2012 will b an interesting year!
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That is my point. When an empire is in its death throes, they do desperate things. And hence expect more wars and invasions. The attack on Iran is deemed inevitable, simply because Israel wants it... and ISrael gets what she demands.

still...we will come to see.

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If they are unsuccessful in building the coalition, as it appears to be the case, then they will back track on their words.
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Do they have that choice? Does the president have the right to waiver the sanctions...? No, and Israel made sure of that.. Obama has to go through congress, who evidently bows down to Israel. And with Bibi beng in power, he wants nothing more than an attack on Iran, despite his intelligence agencies warning against it.. Such is this stupidity... even obama is 'fed up' of him and resigned to puppeteering.

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Iran's recent show of aggression is also to prove the point that such sanctions will result in war. This would be ironic because Americans pursued sanctions only because they wanted to avoid war. Now if sanctions guarantee the war then Americans will be falling in their own trap. American and European economies are in regression. They can not afford to start a very costly war.
So it seems to me that Americans will back down. And if they don't then they better prepare the world for war at the worst time.

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I agree entirely. But sanctions are an ACT of war. Targeted Killing are an ACT of war. The covert war has long begun, its only a matter of time.

FYI, the sanctions sponsored by Aipac details that there will be no dialogue with Iran. And president cannot waiver that either, i.e. has to go through congress. This can only mean one thing.

Obama is like the big bull, is being led by the nose ring, to a war without end....but not without consequences.

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But You know what's strange (and funny!), this is being called 'the new american century' by the republican candidates. Its should be worrying for americans actually, because the leaders seem to have buried their heads in the sand, like an ostrich does...and pretending that everything s hunky dory, whilst the world is moving beneath them. The grounds are shifting. They are no longer the super power they thought they were. Iraq and afghanistan, showed them up badly.

Back then, it was all gung ho, 'we dont talk with da terrorists' theme. These days. they are begging for talks with talibans and haqanis group.

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hat the current proposed sanctions are going to do is to guarantee the war ... not the riddance of clerics. Sanctions and threats actually help the clerics tighten their grip on power.
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Iran has had over 30 years of sanctions against it, has undeniably always come out stronger and independent in every single field. Sanctions have been a blessing in disguise, and the recent ones will prove to do the same.. Iran is now looking elsewhere for business, and finding valuable business in places like the rest of the world!!!

Many Countries that have traded with US on the other hand, have been mauled and subjugated, ending up over dependent on US Aid, that always come with certain strings attached...hence crippling their own countries.

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However I do hope the clerics go away. It is because of their unreasonable and unnecessary support of Palestinians that Iranian population is suffering at the hands of American Zionists.

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I certainly hope they don't go away, if for only that reason that they make a principled stand against zionism and support for the palestinians.

It is neither unreasonable to support palestine, but obligatory on every discerning adult, who has any knowledge of right and wrong. It is wholly disgraceful to submit to such brutal oppressors.

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Latest update: EU is delaying it sanction three months, until they can get an agreement.