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Well these days states will declare non-muslim anyone that does not agree with them as well.
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Which state has done that?
To the best of my knowledge, there is only one group that has ever been declared non-Muslim by a nation.
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The guy on the Hasba bill forum popped out a haddes in which the Prophet said he would have burned down the house of the man who didnt pray if there werent women and children in there!
This genuine?
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As far as I know, the hadeeth is genuine and is only directed for Isha prayer. Now there is a condition mentioned. Given all the context, the hadeeth only refers to the intensity of the sin of not praying. That punishment was never carried out and was never implemented; hence, such a punishment will be unislamic to say the least for it is not in accordance to Sunnah.
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That's what I was talking about when I said that people are claiming people who miss prayers should be burned.
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PCG: as I said, going and burn people’s house based on this hadeeth is utter ignorance by taking the hadeeth out of context. Every household has children and women anyway. If Rasoolulah:saw: did not do it even though he wanted to, no one CAN do it either.
Should Hisbah Bill use the term ‘Encouragement’ from the Govt. rather than Implementation, it would be a fair deal, otherwise, a stupid act from our Maulvies of Pakistan.
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Should we not draw a distinction between tax evasion (a crime akin to theft) by an individual and treason against the state, where a group of people get together and delcare defacto autonomy? The latter was the case in Hazrat Abu Bakar’s Jihad. Zakaat happened to be the issue in which the rebellion manifested itself.
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There is a notion of privacy, as evident from a Hadith where Hazrat Omar raided a drunkard’s abode. The drunkard was not charged or punished as Hazrat Omar had also transgressed limits.
From http://www.ghazali.org/ihya/english/ihya-vol2-C6.htm:
“Once Hazrat Omar, while going at night in the city, heard sounds of songs in a house. He got over the wall and found that there was a woman with them and a pot of wine near a man. He said : 0 enemy of God, have you thought that God will keep your sin concealed ? He said : 0 Commander of the faithful, you have come yourself ! Don’t be hasty in judgement I committed one sin this time, but you have committed three sins. God said: Don’t spy, You have committed spying and therefore committed one sin. God says : 'It is not righteousness that you should come to the houses by their back-doors. ’ You have come overstepping the wall and so you have committed another sin God says : Don’t enter a house other than your own houses till you seek permission and greet their inmates-25:27 Q. You have entered my house without permission and greeting. Hazrat Omar said If I pardon you, will it do any good to you ? He said : By God, 0 Commander of the faithful, it will do me good. If you pardon me, I will never do it. Then he pardoned him and went away.”
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^ Thanks for answering the question precisely.
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Picoico: meri jaan: when I used the term personal matter, I was talking about things done collectively. What one does behind the four walls is no one's business unless a crime is done. Will you call it fair if police raids in a home where people are dealing with drugs or illegal weapons for that matter?
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raids depend on the crime and if people are getting affected by it - if its the home of a mass murderer, then yes, a raid is necessary.
For that you need warrants here in the US. Now is it the same way under Shariat - I don't know.
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positive! though i never heard specificaly ISHA attached to it since now.
isnt there alike hadith talking abt guys who dont show up in mesjid ?
how cud u determine that ??? r u enough knowledgeable ? and besides, is everything unislamic which prophet Mohammad pbuh intended to but never actualy did ? does this UN-ISLAMIC term counters the predictions made by prophet pbuh too ?
now plz spare me off this AHLE_SUNNET OR AHLE_HADITH shiz for the heck of it.
picoico bhai .. very nice incident to share .. thnx but as for this thread .. werent anwer bhai talking abt on bigger level ?
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Then it’s not personal 
You got a point! I suppose the bottom line is that a line must be drawn at some point. I mean, I don’t think anyone here would object to surveillance of, say, organized crime figures in the name of “privacy”.
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Patriot Act is difference - the terms and conditions there are not akin to the typical way of getting a legal warrant to come in and search the premises for evidence of a crime. And the consequences are different too.
Patriot Act is not transparent. Typical normal protocol for raids is more transparent.