Death of intellect in Pakistan.

It is a good analysis with one exception. It doesn’t come out (or cannot come out of fear), that Pan-Islamism is in fact the source of intellectual death in Pakistan.

The reason is simple. Pan-Islamism is based on primitive tribal model, and thus incompatible with the modern concepts such as nation-state.

The issue with Pan-Islamism is that it not only denies the modern borders, but the business rules, the court system, and above all the intellectual pursuit in literature and arts.

Pakistan before the Jamat Islami’s Pan-Islamist show down and 9-star fraud, was a dynamic scene for the art and literature. Paintings, sculptures, prose, and poetry were the source of new thinking. Then the curse of religion fell upon this hapless country and the intellectual minds died their premature deaths.

Human beings developed from cavemen, then evolved into sub-tribes, to tribes, to city-states, and then ultimately to the modern concept of nation-states.

Early Islam contributed towards evolution and intellectual growth from sub-tribes to tribes to sort of city-states (or collection of city states). However the modes of communications did not allow the formation of nation-states.

Early Islamic thought freed the intellectual pursuit by copying and enhancing Greek and Roman knowledge.

However the modern Europeans took over the intellectual pursuit from the early Muslims and ran with it. Now that Pakistanis need pursue intellectual growth, they must learn and copy the European intellectuals. Sadly thought Pan-Islamism stops Pakistani-intellectual growth dead in the tracks.

It is so unfortunate that the Pan-Islamism rejects the continued evolution of human systems, and tries to force all of us back to the primitive tribal system or at the most primitive city state system. Both of these system are now incompatible with contemporary life.

Many people would jump up and down and say Muslims went to Mars so we don’t have to copy the Europeans. Off course you know it, and we know it, that any such claim is a shear lie and based on utter dishonesty.

The reality is that Pan-Islamists are trying to run donkey-carts on highways and motor ways and that is why they are continuously being crushed.

It is time for Pakistanis to cut the cord, and be liberated from the Pan-Islamist shackles. Pan-Islamists of today are intellectually dead, just like the Byzantines who locked up libraries.

Just like the early Islam broke the chains of Byzantines’s hold on intellectuals, we must break the chokehold of Pan-Islamic locks on intellectual pursuit.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Daily Times - Site Edition Thursday, November 27, 2008

Editorial: Death of intellect in Pakistan

In a recent article, ** a scholar has advised the intellectual in the Pashtun region of Pakistan to take the lead in the country’s search for solutions to Talibanisation. ** Earlier, Pakistan’s martyred leader Benazir Bhutto in her book Reconciliation: Islam, Democracy and the West wrote, “And the living reformers like Muhammad Arkoun, Abdur Rahman Wahid, Wahidudin Khan and Khalid Masud would be able to preach and teach their modernising theology without facing repression or marginalisation by the state” (p. 284).

The last named (Dr) Khalid Masud is the current chairman of the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) in Islamabad. Muhammad Arkoun is an Algerian genius who is recognised in the West as the most gifted exponent of Islam who may not be able to live in Algeria. Abdur Rahman Wahid, an Indonesian religious and political leader, served as the President of Indonesia from 1999 to 2001. Maulana Wahidudin Khan is the Indian moderate scholar whose message is appreciated all over the world but is rejected by extremist Muslims because of the dominance of moderation in his thinking.

Benazir Bhutto mentioned our CII chairman Dr Khalid Masud because of his scholarly contribution to our fundamental understanding of Islam, including the Sixth Lecture of Allama Iqbal where the national philosopher had bravely “reinterpreted” the concept of hudood in Islam, recommending that punishments such as cutting of hands should not be imposed in our times.

General Zia ul Haq who ruled Pakistan after hanging prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto rejected Allama Iqbal’s ijtihad and not only imposed the cutting of hands for theft but also fired the then chairman of the CII who had opposed stoning to death which is not specifically mentioned in the Quran. It is not surprising that Bhutto’s daughter too was killed in Pakistan because she possessed a level of intellect that Pakistanis usually reject as being heretical. The people who killed her will not allow innovative thinking in Pakistan. They will allow the dissenting intellectual least of all. And the foremost task of the organic intellectual is to disagree with the status quo and formulate new ways of seeing and doing in conformity with changing times.

Dr Khalid Masud and the other members of the CII are being pilloried today by extremists for proposing to the sitting government that the rights of women should be restored to them in regard to the institution of “khula” (demand for dissolution of marriage). Some heads of the religious parties — with hardly a notable book to their name — have rejected the proposal and said unsavoury things about the CII members who supported the proposal. Muftis, who are supposed to be learned in Islam, have gone back to their schools of jurisprudence (fiqh) to reject the CII.

There is nothing anyone can do, not even the PPP, whose leader mentioned the CII chairman in her book, because it would be politically embarrassing to support him even if the government cannot formalise the concept of khula as interpreted by the CII. The reason is that the PMLN and PMLQ opposition will join the religious parties and the muftis in accusing the CII and its members of being a part of the “baaqiyat” (remains) of General Pervez Musharraf and his American patrons. No newspaper has presented an objective analysis of what has been argued by the CII. Therefore readers at large have more or less accepted the view that the CII has gone crazy or is serving America. But nothing could be further from the truth.

The CII, which the Constitution says may contain any number of members between eight and twenty, was much loved in the past under General Zia when it passed down outlandish edicts. It had banned co-education, all lotteries like the prize bonds and recycling of paper used for Holy Quran. It had criticised the Supreme Court for postponing the abolition of bank interest. Its old chairman had said that it was not an economic issue. It had earlier endorsed the destruction of Afghanistan’s archaeological heritage by the Taliban. It repeated the recommendation that “kalima tayyaba” be inscribed on the Pakistan national flag along with Allahu Akbar. It declared that it was wrong to label jihad as a defensive war alone. It had also outlawed the picture of the Quaid on banknotes.
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The death of intellect is a pan-Islamic phenomenon **and has coincided with the rise and empowerment of the cleric, and, in the case of Pakistan, through state-funded jihad. All over the world, as noted by Ms Bhutto, the Muslim intellectual is in retreat and has had to survive through self-exile. In Pakistan today the uniformity of mediocre thought is most disturbing. It stares one in the face during any discussion. From the IMF to the UN Security Council and the IAEA, no institution is properly understood but is used to do the rival down.

The intellectual culture of the Pashtun, which is the legacy of the ANP, is being decimated on a daily basis. Yet, it is the ANP which is being criticised by sections of the media and those who go around killing the thinking section of the population. No one cares that the ANP has been chosen by the voters in the 2008 elections who clearly rejected the clerics. *

Re: Death of intellect in Pakistan.

Why are your threads so weird!

I can see intellect has really died by reading your threads. :)

Plus, why do you love the likes of Najam Sethis and Mushs. In other words all the drunkards. Ofcourse one cannot expect anything to do with Islam in a positive light from them. :)

Its not pan-Islamism. Rather its a lack of it. Pan Islamism unites humanity and gives people a chance to think outside the box. What is so good about being petty minded and being nationalist? None! Nationalism has brought nothing but destruction and wars. We are better than you .... That is a mindset that needs fixing not pan Islamism. I know well the mindset of nationalists. I know you would say, why Pan Islamic concepts only amongst Pakistanis. Well, you cannot deny it, it was pan Islamism at a small scale (sub-continent) that gave birth to Pakistan. It is Pan Islamism at a larger scale that will give birth to a larger entity.

By the way what do you think of the European Union. Isn't it a pan-european entity? It sure is. They have flag, a currency, a parliament etc.

Pakistan is a pan-Pakistani concept, it includes in it Punjab, Sind, NWFP and Baluchistan, all with their unique identities also. The more nationalism you teach to the masses, the more they become nationalist not in the Pakistani sense but in the Punjabi, pukntoon, Baluchi and Sindhi way. Therefore, leave this failed way of thinking. Promote humanity and that we are all one under God.

What kind of a vile, senseless propaganda is this?

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Pakistan before the Jamat Islami's Pan-Islamist show down and 9-star fraud, was a dynamic scene for the art and literature. Paintings, sculptures, prose, and poetry were the source of new thinking. Then the curse of religion fell upon this hapless country and the intellectual minds died their premature deaths.
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I am no fan of Jamaat i Islami or any other religious parties but what you are saying is just stupid. Does Islam stop people from art. I think you are wrong. You have not heard about the magnificent art in the Muslim era? You have not heard of calligraphy, sufi music, architecture of alhamra, the Morrish Spain, India, Iran, Egypt, baghdad, samarkand, Bukhara? I am sure you did but you are adament that art has to be the way West defines it for you.

Islam is beautiful and Allah loves beauty. However, beauty within the guidelines of Islam. Not how you define it. Arts do not die just by not making sculptures. There are a thousand ways of expressing it in a decent manner.

And yes, its not the curse of the religion, but the curse of a dictator and one man show. Its also the ineptness of the so called "intellectual class" that was not able to show the way.

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The intellectual culture of the Pashtun, which is the legacy of the ANP, is being decimated on a daily basis. Yet, it is the ANP which is being criticised by sections of the media and those who go around killing the thinking section of the population. No one cares that the ANP has been chosen by the voters in the 2008 elections who clearly rejected the clerics.
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What intellectual legacy of the ANP. ANP cannot even be sincere to its own people. Their leaders run away from their homeland. Such sellouts cannot gain credibility and revive intellectual thinking. Rather, such people and groups create more radicalization, as evident in NWFP.

The basis for any positive change is sincerity and hardwork. ANP has shown nothing. It naturally gets a negative image from the media.

Regarding clerics, weren't they brought in power by a dictator? They already hold no ground, so why worry about them. Its about justice and giving people their rights. If someone can stand up and be honest to people and start doing their work as they are supposed to, intellect and reason will return, not only in NWFP but in rest of Pakistan also.

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wonderfully answered lansing

BurqaposhX is like Posh spice. A whole lot of pumped image, but in reality nothing more than a skeleton of intellectual though. I will comment on your points before going to the article.

The nation state concept is merely 70 years old and any academic worth his salt will state that the nation state system is dead. The EU and Mercosur proved that.

Hardly. If you look Pan-Islamism in Europe and in the US you will find more emphasis on literature and arts than in the past 50 years. Lets not forget that for a good 300 years the Muslim world was the epicentre of modern intellectual thought while society was governed by Shariah.

Additionally one of most influential men (top 20 according to Foriegn Policy) is a Pan-Islamists who studied in Europe. He even has family links to the Muslim Brotherhood established in Egypt. Guess who he is and I will give you a cookie.

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Pakistan before the Jamat Islami’s Pan-Islamist show down and 9-star fraud, was a dynamic scene for the art and literature. Paintings, sculptures, prose, and poetry were the source of new thinking. Then the curse of religion fell upon this hapless country and the intellectual minds died their premature deaths.

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Right and when did that stop? Also I find it interesting you link the source of new thinking as based on the western concepts. Basically whatever is western is considered “New thinking”. Sad really.

And the Nation state concept died in Masstricht. (spelling?)

I am confused where the concept of Empires and colonialism went your account of societal structure? The nation state concept was borne out of the desire to leave the colonies and form something that was manageable according to the Colonialists. Also like I said earlier, the nation state concept is dead. Moving rather towards an Ummah type situation.

Copy is not intellectual growth. The dumbass who told you that needs to be shot. Also what is early Islam? Because historically and factually we were the epicentre for a good 300 years. That is by no means early. Also intellectual growth - if it truly is such - can not be stifled by political powers. Read up on Soviet dissidents and their fights. Proof that intellectual growth will occur whenever possible. No system can stop it.

Where is it stated that Pan-Islamism rejects these systems? I would like to see proof of this conjecture.

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Many people would jump up and down and say Muslims went to Mars so we don’t have to copy the Europeans. Off course you know it, and we know it, that any such claim is a shear lie and based on utter dishonesty.

The reality is that Pan-Islamists are trying to run donkey-carts on highways and motor ways and that is why they are continuously being crushed.

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sigh Statement of conjecture again.

Factually incorrect. Take a look at the Foriegn Policy website for more on the Intellectuals on Pan-Islamism.

You are welcome to your factually incorrect opinion.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Yeah not responding to this bull****. Treating a common criminal as some sort of intellectual genius makes me want to throw up my breakfast. Sadly this author speaks of intellectual thought yet doesn’t hold to its own standards.

CM, this response is way below your par (almost at the level of a typical pan-Islamist knee-jerk reaction). Unfortunately it is filled with nun-sense to the point where it is hard to pick one false notion over the other. Here are just a few examples.

So the idea of Japanese nation-state or Chinese nation-sate is just 70 years old? Wow man. This heresy is not even worth a smiley.

Dunno why people love to repeat these false romanticist theories in the name of Islamic history.

You say "for good 300 years", without realizing that modern day regions of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, and UAE have not contributed anything for the last 1300 years if not more.

And yet Pakistanis love to beat the torn-up drum (phatta huwa dhol) of "Islamic world".

Care to put the dates and regions of development for this 300 years?

While you are at it, try to compare it with modern science and fine arts and then cry at the falsehoods spread in the name of Islamic world.

Talking about intellectual contributions to the modern science and arts by the Muslim world is like saying
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"I am a caveman, I figured out how to walk on the hind legs, and that's why you all owe me a credit for going to the moon".
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hahhaha.

And yeah sure, the Islamic world went to Mars too.

FYI. Pan-Islamism is a disease that is very similar to the Pan-Christendom disease with one difference. Some of the Christian monasteries were run by a lot smarter people than the ones running a typical Pakistani cesspool called Madrassah.

Still the Europeans were smart enough to rid themselves of Pan-Christendom disease and move on with their productive lives filled with accomplishments.

Pakistanis on the other hand are hell bent on joining the ranks of petty tribals and uncouth Beduins all in the name of Pan-Islamism. No wonder they are walking around with begging pans or committing petty terror like so many of the Pan-Islamists from around the world.

Wish you had read your comments before hitting the submit button.

Re: Death of intellect in Pakistan.

hmm....interesting.

Re: Death of intellect in Pakistan.

The unity of Muslim countries is a must to encounter the dominance of Western countries and their culture. It does not mean we turn to Taliban type Shariah Law.

Pan-islamism is seen as an answer to stop the global dominance of the West. The West is very dependent o the Muslim world ie Oil and soon to be Central Asia - America actively supports dictatorships within the Middle East. Muslims have failed to provide much in terms of intelectual growth in the last 500 years but we have resources that they badly want. Pan-Islamisn is about getting rid of the corrupt dictators who are seen as western stooges ands replace them with strong leaders who promote Muslim culture rather than subservience to the West and its culture. if the muslim world would have been united we wont have these problems such as palestine, kashmir, chechnya....

if the Europeans can unite around their own political-cultural beliefs why is it so wrong for the muslims to unite behind their own beliefs? a United muslim world would have more say in todays world than they do now. the American and its allies can invade whoever they want.

Benazir Bhutto an intellectual? She wrote a book...big wow.....she must have got very bored with all that shopping, flitting from dubai to london......i have not read the book although i hear she or whoever did all the reserach for her argues a very good case. Its a shame she was never able to put all those good honest values to practise when she was in power.

The ANP - intelectuals? Whenever the ANP have used what little intelectual ability they have to argue for the rights of Pakhtuns in NWFP they have always be called traitors, anti-pAkistan.....not by the militants but by the pakistani etablishment who does not want change.

Muslim “Ummah” is like a far far away land only heard about. Muslims need to be “Muslims” first, Ummah will come down the road, but are we Muslims really? Seems like Pakistan is the only country comprising “Ummah” others are either “Arabs” or just “others”.

Our “ummah” makes someone like Saddam a hero just because he “stood up” against “west” :smack:

West is dependent on oil but how much oil is in “Muslim” countries, and how Muslim are those countries? They prefer to call themselves “Arab” san Iran.

You are right - it will only come when we behave as muslims. Behaving as a muslim does not mean forcing people to keep beards, wearing burqas. For some reason most think this is what islam is about.

You equate Saddam with islam? he is no hero. Just because he stood up tpo the west at the end it does not meanhe is a great guy. The guy was a Bath'ist.

My view of Pan-islamis is different - ie a focus on education, equality for both genders, equality for non-muslims, friendly treaties with neighbouring countries, accouintability, social welfare state, .......these also are mentionned in islam too right? .....not this current mess which exists int he dictatorships and sham democracies in the muslim world,

Does not matter how muslim are those countries only Allah swt judges a person. The West is dependent enogh to invade for its interests ....it always talks of its "interests" .

Problem is that the type you mentioned are the most heard of so by default Islam gets that definition no matter how wrong it is.

Exactly, you had to be in Pakistan during Gulf War I... "qadam barhao Saddam ham tumharay saath hayn" were the slogans of Islamic parties (like JUI, JI etc)

Well your Pan-Islamism is much better, we probably will have to wait out until the current mess-creators are flushed out of the scene to talk about "Pan-Islamism".