I was just at a funeral yesterday. When the body was being shown, some of my female cousins started screaming hysterically whereas some of my other female cousins cried quietly. The ones who were quiet were getting more upset by the screaming. One of my cousins said that the deceased can hear everything 10x times louder until they are actually buried, so the screaming is only hurting them. Is this true?
What happens to the soul? Are you immediately taken to Allah mian when you die?
Mehnaz,
There have been a lot of things said in the past by our elders that really hold no water. The women that were hystericaly wailing were told this so as to avoid being immodest, avoid creating a scene and avoid attracting attention to themselves.
Having said this, I will defer the question to someone that can address it adequately with references from Quran and Hadees.
A single verse in the Quran is sufficient to demolish the erroneous concept of punishment in the grave.
Read the following ayaats from the Quran itself;
36:51 And when the Trumpet is blown, behold, out of their disintegrated states unto their Lord they will run. (‘Qabr’ = grave = disintegrated state).
36:52 They will exclaim, “Oh, woe unto us! Who has awakened us from our beds of** sleep**? This is what the Beneficent promised, and the Messengers spoke the truth.”
36:53 Nothing but a single Blast, no more, and behold, before Us all of them will be presented.
The concept of punishment in the grave is non-Quranic.
I'm talking about before the body is put in the grave.
Since no one has ever come back from the dead to share his/her experiences so we basically go by matters of faith and common sense as to what the dead may be going through.
I doubt that dead will be too bothered by hysterical crying. I am sure the soul has other things to worry about at that moment. Whether they can listen at 10x is something I have no idea about. How to behave in a funeral is part outside our control (in case of close family) as it is natural to feel like crying, but part of it is dictated by our society and cultural values. Crying for the sake of crying and creating a scene is quite pathetic, IMO.
MQ^why wud it be different prior or after burial…unless they put dirt into their ears 
Re: Death and Islam
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What happens to the soul? Are you immediately taken to Allah mian when you die?
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I thought I answered your question in 36:51.
There is no immediate meeting with the Creator. All accounting is done on the day of judgment.
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I thought I answered your question in 36:51.
There is no immediate meeting with the Creator. All accounting is done on the day of judgment.
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but who says the 'Day' of judgment will be one specific point in time and space? There is as much to say that everyone will experience his/her own 'day' (/moment?) of judgment that doesn't necessay have to be at the same time and space as everyone else. We know Allah isn't bound by time and space, so why wud he made the 'Day' as such? noone knows. So equal chances are that the dead have already passed their day of judgment and some are in heaven and other in hell
Nes, yeah that is a possibility too. Please call me from your mobile once you make it past the doors.
I don’t know. People say different things. I had never heard anything about the soul being able to hear things 10x louder than usual until yesterday. It was news to me. I just read on an Islamic website that they can’t hear anything until they are actually put in the grave.
Anyway, I was just curious if anybody else had heard anything else like what my cousin said to me yesterday.
Faisal, I agree with you. Crying hysterically just to put on a good show is truly pathetic.
I think they can hear and know what's going on until they are buried. That's what I have heard.
according to the Shariat, once the soul (rooh) leaves the body after death, in the case of a believer, his/her rooh is preserved in a sacred place called **Illiyyeen.* In the case of non-believer, his/her soul is placed in the Sijjeen.
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but we cant deny the punishment of grave because if we do we would be accusing the rasul :saw: of lying? astagfurullah.
So are we having to decide between Quran and Hadees yet again?
According to Quran = no punishment in grave
According to Hadees = punishment or reward in grave
Which do you believe?
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So are we having to decide between Quran and Hadees yet again?
According to Quran = no punishment in grave
According to Hadees = punishment or reward in grave
Which do you believe?
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Now where in Quran it is said that there might not be any punishment in the grave? The reason stated that Quran is might be silent about the one of the seven stages of life which will be in grave does not mean hadeeths are wrong.
Surah 102. Thakathur [Rivalry In World Increase, Competition]
The mutual rivalry for piling up (the good things of this world) diverts you (from the more serious things),
**Until ye visit the graves. **
But nay, **ye soon shall know (the reality). **
Again, ye soon shall know!
Nay, were ye to know with certainty of mind, (ye would beware!)
Ye shall certainly see Hell-Fire!
Again, ye shall see it with certainty of sight!
Then, shall ye be questioned that Day about the joy (ye indulged in!).
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So are we having to decide between Quran and Hadees yet again?
According to Quran = no punishment in grave
According to Hadees = punishment or reward in grave
Which do you believe?
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i for one don't support any of these, cuz i think there might be a third option:
According to Quran: not clear whether the punishment will be in grave or later....but then again it doesn't matter, cuz after death 'time' (as we know it) will cease to exist
well according to fiqh jafferi, the dead can hear just before burial, which is why we should be reading the Quran/suras etc. In the Namaz Janazah, the deceased is reminded of the basic beliefs of Islam. After death, the soul remains in a state of Barzakh until Qiyamat. Until then, any sadqah jariyah from people left behind can affect the status of the deceased.