I was lectured by a guy who ordered to establish salat in a different forum. Here is what he had to say.
I hope you and the rest of the guppies understand the difference between the two very different types Mullahs.
My disagreement with Mullah-the-Politikos for their raves and rants about Pak economy and Pak interests. It has nothing to do with Mullah-the-priest’s services for the occasions of wedding or death.
On the issue of Namaz Jinaza, Bud! I’d be looking forward to seeing Allah, when the time comes and NOT the Mullah. Do not confuse and mix Mullah and Allah.
p.s. People like Islama parrot “Establish Salaat” while admitting that they “have no idea about how a namaz ….is read”
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I was lectured by a guy who ordered to establish salat in a different forum. Here is what he had to say.
p.s. People like Islama parrot "Establish Salaat" while admitting that they "have no idea about how a namaz ….is read"
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Establishing salat is the five times prayer I am talking about. and yes it is my duty, like it or not, to enjoin good - so offer your 5 times prayers. Yes I do also understand Arabic well. Alhamdulilah!
Namaz e Janazah rituals are not done just about every day. So many people do have a confusion about it. This is however not the topic of my discussion.
All I am saying (you may disagree 100% , and thats what a discussion is all about), is it seems so childish to curse bearded people. Why this obcession with them? Yes they are very narrow minded (atleast many), have little exposure to real life, as their lives start with the madrassah and end with the mosque and may even be seen involving with politics.
What is wrong with mullahs being in the politics? If all the waderas, jageerdars, thieves of Pakistan can be in the politics and even be PMs 2 times, why is that these poor mullahs cannot be in politics. You cry and scream loud against bearded people (which is your narrow mindedness), but you refraim to curse others.!!?
On the issue of Namaz Jinaza, Bud! I'd be looking forward to seeing Allah, when the time comes and NOT the Mullah. Do not confuse and mix Mullah and Allah.
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So when you die (we will all die one day), is Allah going to gather people, read you janazah and get you under the soil? I also advise you to visit a janazah besides establishing the 5 daily prayers! You may discover that a mullah kind of a person reads the janazah prayer, since many of us do not know how to.
Man are we touchy or what when it comes to Salat...here a man just says establish salat...and we think of it as a lecture.
Anyway, Anti brother, you disagree with the Mullah's of Pakistan because they give their opinion (rants) about pak economy and its interest, what kind disagreement is this? You on this BB give your opinion about Islam, Politics, economy, and all the other stuff but you don’t want the mullah to have the same right. This is plain bigotry, on both ends, since they don’t want you to have the same rights. So it seems like you are a mullah but of a different kind.
Anti, establishing the five times salat and having command over' khutbai nikah' or Namaz-e-Janazah are two different things. And as Islamabad said, not everyone is wellversed in that.
I am not removing any post or any derogatory remark from this thread because its always good to hear what other people have to say about issues and things, you abhor or hold dear.
Waisay, this wasn't in a very good taste.
p.s. People like Islama parrot "Establish Salaat" while admitting that they "have no idea about how a namaz ….is read"
Easee konsi baat ki thee Isalmabad nay that you took so much offence?The way you want your ideas and opinions to be read and acknowledged, you should at the same time be open about other's opinions. Nobody is forcing anything down your throat. :)
even though i have sum disagreements with brother/sister islamabad but well said. anyway to have love for the worthy scholars of islam is an act of worship as said by imam ali ibn abi talib to kumayl ibn ziad. the people of the sunnah follow the companions and we respect and love our scholars the way the companions loved their scholars. if u disgree with a scholar and think he is misguided do ur duty as a muslim, ring him up and advice him and correct him stop the back biting and generalising.
please let us behave like muslims, the rasul s.a.w. was sent to coplete da good manners! act like muslims, act like people who are from his ummah instead of those who follow the manners of the kaffirs
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.....You on this BB give your opinion about Islam, Politics, economy, and all the other stuff but you don’t want the mullah to have the same right. ....
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Bud! Mullahs in Pakistan and on this board accuse others of Shirk, Qadiani, or Shia thereby condemning to death in the name of Islam.
Over 70 Shia doctors have been murdered in Karachi, Mosques blown up, hundreds of Christians behind bars, all done in the name of Mullah-cracy.
Jinnah and Sir Syed were utterly disgusted with this rampant madness among Mullah-dom. Educated Muslim elite followed Jinnah and got a safe place called Pakistan. MAToo terrorists opposed Pakistan and then quickly jumped the wagon. Now we have a menace that is killing Pakistan from within.
Follow Jinnah's principles and you may be saved. Otherwise, death and destruction of Pakistani Muslim in the hands of Mullahs will continue.
since when did jinnah become god? naudubillah? follow Allah’s principals as revealed to the rasul :saw: and you will be saved, no one else can save any one of us…
Bud! Mullahs in Pakistan and on this board accuse others of Shirk, Qadiani, or Shia thereby condemning to death in the name of Islam.
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Oh so we should do the same? we should start accusing each mullah and "beardo" "anti Pakistan" commie and condemn them to death. What kind of extremist view is that? Rather than talking we are alienating people.
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Jinnah and Sir Syed were utterly disgusted with this rampant madness among Mullah-dom. Educated Muslim elite followed Jinnah and got a safe place called Pakistan. MAToo terrorists opposed Pakistan and then quickly jumped the wagon. Now we have a menace that is killing Pakistan from within.
Follow Jinnah's principles and you may be saved. Otherwise, death and destruction of Pakistani Muslim in the hands of Mullahs will continue.
Khuda Hafiz
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Do you know you Sir Syed was known as "Maulana Sir Syed Ahmed Khan". So if two Mawlana's opposed Pakistan then we should hang them with their beards? So what we should do the educated elite who ransacked Pakistan after Jinnah? or the Khaki bureaucracy that exists today, what we should do to them, who has been eating Pakistan from within?
Dear it’s very easy to be anti something but its very hard to be FOR something.
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.....Do you know you Sir Syed was known as "Maulana Sir Syed Ahmed Khan". ....
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Yeap! A few days from now we'll hear Jinnah was called "Maulana Jinnah".
Gimme a break! Will ya!
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.....we should start accusing each mullah and "beardo" "anti Pakistan" commie and condemn them to death. ......
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Look bud, no body is condemning Mullah, and commies to death, unless they happen to be anarchists. Otherwise they jst need to be kicked out of Pak economic and political decision-making.
Jinnah's followers believe in peaceful struggle, instead of Mullah Gandhi cabal's anarchist terroristic ways (Now don’t quote me verses from the movie Gandhi).
Either I am wasting my time even discussing this with you, or maybe you are so extremist that you do not want to listen and understand. Your hatred for religious class will only earn you a bad name. Believe it or not, my Pakistan is more Islamic than ever and inshaAllah will continue to be more. People are waking up and its people like you who will need to find a place..
The Sir Syed Ahmed Khan you are talking about looked like this:
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Oh yeah…!! Surprise!!! He had a beard.
I find no difference between a jahil maulvi and you. Both speak so similar.
Bro…It is your stupidity to name all bearded people as jaahils. Everyone on this board would agree that the way you curse mullahs and the extremist way of talking you have, is only your very own narrow mindedness.
(many of my dear brothers in Islam here would understand why am I saying salam).
antiobl is mocking the beard thus his statements are disbelif, actions of apostasy, he has been warned before many times but continues to persist in this action
Mr. Clever guy, I am not debating on politics here. I am not talking about OBL. All I am saying is and you know it well, that cursing bearded people is your narrow mindedness! So get a life and breathe some fresh air.
I would not like to go by your stupid logic. Its hard to imagine you are an educated person. Thats what I call parhay likhay jaahil!
Now carefully check out these pics:
Both killed thousands of people and they do not have a beard.
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So the point is, what does beard have to do with intelligence and being nice?
If one keeps a beard because of the niyah that it is sunnah of the Prophet :saw: than how blessed is he for following the excellent and most complete personality in the history of mankind -our beloved Muhammad :saw:
I have made my point clear and you know it well. Now quit this stupidity of calling bearded people bad. It speaks volumes about your personality. I am sure, whatever I say may hardly have any effect on you, since some people never want to learn. So be it! You would only make a mockery of yourself.
Oh yes, one last thing… Establish 5 times daily prayer. So that you may see light!
antiOBL, the political mollah tollahs you are referring to opposed the creation of Pakistan, but they still leech on the political system of Pakistan, as if it were halwa.
(many of my dear brothers in Islam here would understand why am I saying salam).