Heard this in MSNBC.
Probably Hillary’s hawkish mess in Iraq, Libya, Syria and her hostility towards Iran may have something to do with it.
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Muslims voting for a jew. Isnt that something
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It happened but has less to do with Clinton's foreign policies but more to do with Sander's message of wide acceptance.
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It happened but has less to do with Clinton's foreign policies but more to do with Sander's message of wide acceptance.
Wide acceptance also means thinking twice before killing people indiscriminately - in the middle east for example.
Under Bill Clinton, prevention of medicine and other essentials getting into Iraq results in the death of 500000 chikdren. Madeline Albright said that was just collateral damage.
Muslims trust Sanders more.
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Bernie does not take money from corporations. Hillary does. Shiploads of it. The Lockheed Marrins, General Dynamics and others have a vested interest in us being in a perpetual state of war. Additionally, good and bad actors round the world provide funds to Clinton global initiative and end up getting weapons - shiploads of it. (There is no quid pro quo, insists Hllary. She also has bridges to sell, which her supporters are only too eager to buy).
Ultimately, that is the difference between the two candidates. One has her hands permanently I'm the pockets of big corporations. And those sugar mummies and daddies don't give it away for notn.
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Wide acceptance also means thinking twice before killing people indiscriminately - in the middle east for example.
Under Bill Clinton, prevention of medicine and other essentials getting into Iraq results in the death of 500000 chikdren. Madeline Albright said that was just collateral damage.
Muslims trust Sanders more.
I dont know how many Dearborners you have met to derive to derive this conclusion. I havent so I cant say.
But one thing for sure proven is that arab-americans will fall for anyone raising the chant of revolution rather than voting a person with a clear plan.
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I dont know how many Dearborners you have met to derive to derive this conclusion. I havent so I cant say.
But one thing for sure proven is that arab-americans will fall for anyone raising the chant of revolution rather than voting a person with a clear plan.
I did not realize that one has to meet Arab Americans from Michigan to provide opinion in why they voted for Bernie.
A person with a clear plan is Bernie Sanders. He has provided numbers. Of course those numbers can be and are contested by economists. That dies not mean he does not have a plan.
The problem with Hillary supporters is they learn from their lying leader Hillary. That if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
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I dont know how many Dearborners you have met to derive to derive this conclusion. I havent so I cant say.
But one thing for sure proven is that arab-americans will fall for anyone raising the chant of revolution rather than voting a person with a clear plan.
This is a misconception. The Sanders campaign does have a plan. On issues like Health Care they project as best they can but it's not all hogwash as people are claiming.
Moreover, the revolution is not strictly about policy, it is about character. Hillary might be fairly progressive, but she's a politician to the core. She's a product of the system. I would much rather have a politician who speaks their mind, gives you answers you might not like, and act on their morality than one who will chase the whims of public opinion. Clinton was praising Mubarak and Assad less than 10 years ago. She is currently praising Netanyahu. I do not like two faced people.
Can we vote for Jed Bartlet instead?
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This is a misconception. The Sanders campaign does have a plan. On issues like Health Care they project as best they can but it's not all hogwash as people are claiming.
Moreover, the revolution is not strictly about policy, it is about character. Hillary might be fairly progressive, but she's a politician to the core. She's a product of the system. I would much rather have a politician who speaks their mind, gives you answers you might not like, and act on their morality than one who will chase the whims of public opinion. Clinton was praising Mubarak and Assad less than 10 years ago. She is currently praising Netanyahu. I do not like two faced people.
Can we vote for Jed Bartlet instead?
Read post # 3. I already said he won due to his effective campaign that got wide acceptance among dearborners, including a radio ad in arabic.
Just tell me, when has Sanders condemned Netanyahu? Please provide the links.
10 years back every politician in US was praising Mubarak/Assad etc. Will Bernie uproot all the monarchs from ME whom US/Russia are backing for a long time?
Yes Clinton is a politician and we do need her. Its very pragmatic. We dont need anyone who tells us the tales of fantasyland and then when he comes in power wont be able to do a single thing.
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LMGTFY
Most right wing politicians in Israel insist on preconditions as a prelude to entering negotiations.
Point being, she will tell you whatever you want to hear. Some issues are nuanced, certainly, but I have no patience for her measured responses to Israel or Wall Street. Hillary told you she will tell Wall Street to “knock it off”? I’m sure she will. And Bilawal is Pakistan’s great white washed hope.
Even Robert Reich is supporting Bernie. Clinton will be more of Obama, and Obama didn’t do much of what he promised.
And lastly, if the Republicans control congress then no Democratic candidate will accomplish much.
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The last sentence captures the ridiculousness of the "cant and wont do" Hillary supporters. By the logic of the above post, the most pragmatic Democratic candidate would be the one who caves in to whatever the Right wingers want. A blue dog.
Also, by posing the question "Will Sanders uproot all the monarchs from ME ... ", the above Hillary supporter shows his lack of understanding of Sanders approach wrt foreign policy. No regime change is Sanders mantra. The poster criticizes Sanders without a basic understanding of Sanders approach.
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By the way, this is the core of this election in my opinion. Most of what Salon posts is trash but I agree with Reich on this.
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Bernie Sanders accuses Netanyahu of overreacting in Gaza war | The Times of Israel
The Hillary supporter asked when has Sanders condemned Netanyahu? It 5ook me 30 sec using Google while walking on my smartphone.
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The new user makes some good points. Could not open salon link.
Welcome, new user.
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Thank you for pointing out to that links but here is the notable excerpt from first one:
So if you or anyone thinks US foreign policy will change towards Israel, thats the lala land I was referrring to.
Do you think Clinton hasnt crticized Israel ever?
Hillary on Israel: ‘They Always Sound Cocky’
Hillary Clinton Emails Show Rabid Anti-Israel Correspondence with Sidney Blumenthal - Breitbart
But she is proIsrael as well and so is everyone including Bernie.
Now lets come to what you said about Obama which is itself a little conflictiong as you said in your post “** if the Republicans control congress then no Democratic candidate will accomplish much**”, thats exactly why. They have literally paralyzed Obama establishment. And to me he has done a heck of a job, especially after the eight painful years of super-stupid GWB.
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Once again misrepresentation from Hillary supporter. Quoting the para about asking them to shut up without providing context - he was asked a question. When he started answering, there was shouting. So he asked them to shut up and listen to his answer to their question. Because that is what democracy is about.
The link I provided had this detail.
Also, said Hillary supporter has moved the goal post. First he asks for any link that shows Sanders condemned Netanyahu. Once the link was provided, he says well that is not enough.
What is enough, Hillary supporter?
#WhichHillary](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=WhichHillary)
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“Now lets come to what you said about Obama which is itself a little conflictiong as you said in your post “*if the Republicans control congress then no Democratic candidate will accomplish much”, thats exactly why. They have literally paralyzed Obama establishment. And to me he has done a heck of a job, especially after the eight painful years of super-stupid GWB.”
So you agree that Rethugs have paralyzed Obama administration. But somehow believe Clinton can work better with rethugs than Sanders.
Based on what? Hope and prayer? Maybe you have a point. #WhichHillary](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=WhichHillary) did give a long response to the religious question in a debate.
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Dearborn resident Muslims may have voted overwhelmingly for Bernie Sanders because he has not been a part of the middle east conflicts, in a direct way that Hillary has been as a Secretary of State. Additionally, perhaps the voters see in Bernie Sanders on the democractic side, what Trump supporters see within the Republican camp "Speak the mind. Not funded by big money". That seems to be the going theme right now, whether or not that's a recipe for a successful victory in the Presidential elections is one thing, but isn't it hope that keeps us going?
One thing that will determine the actual outcome is who the Democratic Party wants to be their nominee come the Conference.
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^ Agree with above post. Want to add to this sentence - ", in a direct way that Hillary has been as a Secretary of State. Additionally, perhaps the voters see in Bernie Sanders on the democractic side, what Trump supporters see within the Republican camp "Speak the mind. Not funded by big money".
With a big difference that when Trump speaks his mind, he pampers to the racism of his suooorters. While Sanders speaks about unity, peace and lifting the 99 pct.